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Reasonable on 13 May 2008
Picko said:
Firstly, in statistical terms OoT does not really have enough reviews for those reviews to be a reliable indicator of the games quality. Worth noting that basically no game does but the like ot OoT are particularly bad and no real meaning can be obtained by looking at the "average".

Secondly, even looking at the "raw" scores there is very little difference between any of the top ten. This is particularly so given the first point I made, there is no statistically significant difference between their raw scores and no conclusions can be made about which game is better. Sad I know.

Thirdly, looking at standard deviations is probably more relevant than raw scores, even acknowledging for my first point. SMG actually has a lower standard deviation, than GTA IV or OoT, based purely on raw scores and according to my brief analysis we can expect 95% of all scores to be 91.30 or higher out of a 100.

This compares with:

GTA IV (PS3) 91.48
GTA IV (360) 90.52
OoT (N64) 91.26

However, adjusted for statistical outliers (which I defined as reviews that were 2.5 or more standard deviations away from the mean) the results change somewhat.

GTA IV (PS3) 92.78
GTA IV (360) 92.58
OoT (N64) 91.26
SMG(Wii) 91.30

That is to say, on average we expect 95% of all reviews for GTA IV (PS3) to be 92.78% or higher once outliers have been adjusted for. Adjusting for outliers reduces the standard deviation thereby reducing the range of the 95 per cent confidence intervals. If you were analysing an average game outliers would also include unusually high scores, as well as unusually low scores.

Interesting note, GTA IV (PS3 and 360) and OoT (N64) are the only games released (that I could find) where over half their reviews were 100%. The next closest is Soul Calibur with 48.15%.

A further interesting note, GTA IV (360) has as many 100% scores as OoT has reviews (although one or two are not counted as part of the analysis). How anyone could argue that OoT having a raw score higher than GTA IV as indicative of it being better is quite simply beyond me.

Overall, there are clearly many ways to determine what game is the best reviewed. Looking at the average (adjusted for outliers) is undoubtedly superior than the Gamerankings way of looking at a purely unweighted average. By the measure GTA IV (PS3) still has quite an advantage over OoT.

Very nice.  Couldn't agree more.

 



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Final-Fan on 13 May 2008

Hokay people, time for me to repost this excellent explanation of the way things were, are, and ought to be:

Louie said:
The problem with our rating system is that as soon as a game received a 10 it is impossible to get any higher.

What if Final Fantasy XIII is gonna be better than GTA IV?

In case of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time the high review scores where valid. Many people saying "yeah, but Zelda also got a 10 so GTA IV can get one, too" are just too young to remember what a game Ocarina of Time was.

Not a single of it´s sequel was able to exceed the games pure awesomeness. When Ocarina of Time was released it changed the definitionon of gaming forever. Look at the lock on system in so many games - you know which game introduced a lock on system first, right? It was Ocarina of Time. The game also was the first to feature a complete world map you could explore all on your own - just like GTA.

When Ocarina of Time was release it was quite obvious there wouldn´t be another N64 game to top that as the game was just so revolutionary. It was impossible to even imagine there could be something bigger than Ocarina of Time and, yes: From an artisitc and gameplay standpoint the game is better than any Zelda release after it. It deserved a 10. I can´t see why GTA IV deserves a 10, though - unlike Ocarina of Time the game is a sequel to a well known series that existed in this way before. Ocarina of Time was something completely new, you couldn´t compare it to previous Zelda games.

I´m sure GTA deserves a score somewhere between 9.5 and 9.9 but not a 10. It´s just not revolutionary enough. It won´t change the definition of gaming forever. It will have a huge impact, though.
As I said in that thread, "this post explains wonderfully why GTAIV is in fact a little overrated and LoZ:OoT is not."

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mesoteto on 13 May 2008

*shakes fist*

here here ...about time they started to review the game for what it is and not what the hype machine said it should be!



 

LordTheNightKnight on 13 May 2008

Revolutionary sequel. Extremely polished sequel.

Just shut up and and enjoy your damn fruit.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

mariozeldametroid on 13 May 2008
GTAIVTB said:
So this is how annoying the nintendo brats get when a next gen game gets better reviews than some 5 year old last gen ninteno RPG? LOL! These forums will be a mess when the Wii fad ends. So let me guess, if GTA gets an 96% average than that will mean a mario game is better than a next gen sandbox game? You nintendo kids should get educated on how the rating system works. Wii games get rated by NINTENDO standards. No reviewer has high expectations for a wii game so they rate it based upon wii's capabilities. And since wii is well behind in time and cant cope with next gen physics or graphics, gameplay speed and shit, it gets a better score. If galaxy was on the ps3 or 360, it would get a below 9. Since its well behind ratchet or banjo's gameplay

Yeah!! Long live the Sony Defense Force!!!! May crabs reign the world in a bloody mess called next-next gen!!!

Of course graphics pwn gameplay, everybody: look at the graffzorz! And with all that hype around GTA IV, it's just so pwning, it deserves to be the omgzorz bestgame evar!

Of course my friend, you must admit that FFVII is total shit because the PS1's gaphics were worse than donkey dick. What about God of War 2? If it would've been on Gamecube it would've been plain ugly. 

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Nice to see the true king of videogaming art still has a fighting chance. And to everybody who talks about OoT having too little reviews: if GTA IV's overhyped and stuff and you think it counts, why doesn't OoT, a game that was reviewed in times when reviewing was HONEST, wich you can see from the small amount of reviews it got, count?

If you guys play dirty we'll play dirty as well. We'll fight in the SHADES! Nintendans, TONIGHT WE DINE IN THE DARK WORLD!!!

Sorry for the 300 humor, it's getting a little old.



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Griffin on 13 May 2008
mesoteto said:
*shakes fist*

here here ...about time they started to review the game for what it is and not what the hype machine said it should be!

 Most of the games in the top 10 don't deserve to be up there. 



LordTheNightKnight on 13 May 2008
mariozeldametroid said:
GTAIVTB said:
So this is how annoying the nintendo brats get when a next gen game gets better reviews than some 5 year old last gen ninteno RPG? LOL! These forums will be a mess when the Wii fad ends. So let me guess, if GTA gets an 96% average than that will mean a mario game is better than a next gen sandbox game? You nintendo kids should get educated on how the rating system works. Wii games get rated by NINTENDO standards. No reviewer has high expectations for a wii game so they rate it based upon wii's capabilities. And since wii is well behind in time and cant cope with next gen physics or graphics, gameplay speed and shit, it gets a better score. If galaxy was on the ps3 or 360, it would get a below 9. Since its well behind ratchet or banjo's gameplay

Yeah!! Long live the Sony Defense Force!!!! May giant enemy crabs reign the world in a bloody mess called next-next gen!!!

Of course graphics pwn gameplay, everybody: look at the graffzorz! And with all that hype around GTA IV, it's just so pwning, it deserves to be the omgzorz bestgame evar!

Of course my friend, you must admit that FFVII is total shit because the PS1's gaphics were worse than donkey dick. What about God of War 2? If it would've been on Gamecube it would've been plain ugly.

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Nice to see the true king of videogaming art still has a fighting chance. And to everybody who talks about OoT having too little reviews: if GTA IV's overhyped and stuff and you think it counts, why doesn't OoT, a game that was reviewed in times when reviewing was HONEST, wich you can see from the small amount of reviews it got, count?

If you guys play dirty we'll play dirty as well. We'll fight in the SHADES! Nintendans, TONIGHT WE DINE IN THE DARK WORLD!!!

Sorry for the 300 humor, it's getting a little old.


Fixed.  



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

tabsina on 13 May 2008
GTAIVTB said:
So this is how annoying the nintendo brats get when a next gen game gets better reviews than some 5 year old last gen ninteno RPG? LOL! These forums will be a mess when the Wii fad ends. So let me guess, if GTA gets an 96% average than that will mean a mario game is better than a next gen sandbox game? You nintendo kids should get educated on how the rating system works. Wii games get rated by NINTENDO standards. No reviewer has high expectations for a wii game so they rate it based upon wii's capabilities. And since wii is well behind in time and cant cope with next gen physics or graphics, gameplay speed and shit, it gets a better score. If galaxy was on the ps3 or 360, it would get a below 9. Since its well behind ratchet or banjo's gameplay

 hahahaha.. i can't even find the right words... someone find them for me.. this is almost signature worthy



swyggi on 13 May 2008
Nintendo Zealot said:
The reason there were so few review for OoT is because there were fewer reviewers back then. There weren't all the gaming website that are around today. It was just magazines. So you can't really hold OoT responsible for having fewer reviews.

@ Picko

The headbanging pic in your signature is really really distracting/annoying.

It's not really that so much, it's just that not all reviewers review every game.  I realize that a playstation magazine will only review playstation games and the same goes for every other console, but there's also the random reviewers that will pop up that you don't usually see reviewing some games.



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ItalianBoyPhil on 13 May 2008
rocketpig said:
TheBigFatJ said:
gameover said:

it was about time!


No kidding. This game is fun, but it is ridiculously over rated. I could talk about technical problems with the game until I was blue in the face, but the two primary mechanics of the game are the most damning:

(1) The shooting sucks. The cover system sucks. It's all been done much better before with other games.

(2) Driving is sub-par. It's not terrible, but it is by no means good.

Since these two mechanics are used for about 90% of all of the (repetitive) missions, the game ends up mostly being the combination of both. As GTA shifts toward casual gamers than the likes of Gears of War, Rainbow Six, or better racing games, most of the players probably don't care as much about how it sucks at these two mechanics.


Every day, I'm becoming more and more convinced that I'm the only person on Earth who actually prefers the new style of driving in GTA to the old arcadey style.


Yeah, I love the driving, its realistic!! For once anyway... I'm sick of all the comments about stupid driving!!

The driving has been done well.



    

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