Which mistake are you talking about,the only mistake we made is to post those section 8 logos. Which was because we didn't want to hide anything. Because we weren't doing anything wrong.

There was no mistake, just somebody is tripping for no reason.

Section 8 was not that big of a deal. Period.

I'm really more concerned at your ulterior motive of getting rid of "Section 8.1"...

What's really the problem here?

I mean, if you want to exclude me (which I guess means 'ban') then do so, it is your site.

I don't feel any reason to explain any actions to you, because there's nothing to explain, it isn't that serious.

See, there's the problem, you've gathered very incorrectly

I didn't PM ANYONE to join Section 8.   Not 1 person.

All I've done is vote when the community voted on users to come into Section 8.  Your source/mole/rat/whatever is feeding you incorrect information.  Period.  That's the problem that you're having, your information is incorrect.  And you pick out certain threads, certain posts, and certain posters, and paste them together into something that isn't true.  So the comment stands, you're cherry-picking like a mofo.  I'd love for you to out your source.  It'd make this whole conversation fly by much faster, since we can get to the bottom of the propoganda being spewed.  I don't see the problem with doing that, you have no problem airing our laundry, why not air your own?  Who gave you their username/password?

Crap. I knew this would turn into a big war.

On one hand, I completely see where ioi's coming from. He's putting in all this work to accommodate so few of us, and we're essentially slapping him in the face by going behind his back (we as in the members of Section 8.1).

And yes, S8.1 could be seen as an elitist group, because access to the forum is so severely limited. It's the same reason that most people hate NeoGAF, yet S8.1 is far more exclusive than NeoGAF will probably ever be.

But on the other hand, people do have the right to post wherever they want, and you can't exactly demand that S8.1 be abandoned. I think that may be the root of many S8.1'ers' outrage over this thread. They feel as if their rights are being threatened.

And I think you have a few misconceptions of S8.1, ioi. We do not talk about others behind their backs. The ONLY member that we made occasional jabs at was Faxanadu, and that's only because of the anger he displayed when he found out about the original Section 8.

And you claim that S8.1 is competing with VGChartz, when it's really not. It's a place where veteran VGChartzers (as in those who have already contributed quite heavily to the site *looks at my 5,480 post count*) could discuss things of a more personal nature that wouldn't quite fly on VGChartz, or more controversial subjects that might start flame wars on VGChartz (like my DS vs PSP thread. I chose the DS, btw :P).

Also, the selection of new members for S8.1 was not placed in the hands of only 2-3 people. All members could nominate new users, and then Kenzomatic would set up public polls for the new users to be voted upon by the entire site. You could vote either yes, no, or veto. A potential member required 80%+ yes votes to gain access to the site, but 2+ vetoes guaranteed that they wouldn't make it in. The number of vetoes become troublesome as our size grew, however, and we were planning to up it to three or four for the next round of voting. Any member that failed to gain membership in one round of voting could be re-nominated in the next, and could continue to be re-nominated until they made it in.

Really, S8.1 was very democratic. I think that is the main allure it has for these guys over and above this S8.

But in the end, my loyalties lie with VGChartz.

I think you are underestimating how tame ioi has been with this. He is well within the site rules to permaban anyone who has recruited for an off-site forum through this site. Obviously most members of section 8 weren't involved in the actual PMing of members, but he's trying to find a way to accommodate you despite a direct violation of a very serious forum rule.

Section 8 isn't big enough to 'take members away from our site', there's never that many people on.

If you log on with whomever's account you have, at the bottom of the page, you can see that it says the most users ever online at the same time was twelve. TWELVE!. Now I know you are not missing twelve members on this site, you just banned 12 people last week.