SnowWhitesDrug said: Moneybags said: SnowWhitesDrug said: also to note is that the ps3 and 360 sold neck and neck over last christmas so there is a chance that this coming christmas we could see similar sales, but dont expect the ps3 to sell like the wii did last christmas because the demand for it isnt as high because of different audiences Are you joking? The holiday sales difference this year compared to last year for ps360 will be much different. Wake up son. Both will sell more than last year but ps3 will much greater. This is basic shit, but i bet you won't believe it until this holiday when you see it with your own eyes.   man stop trolling and give some evidence to back up your claim, thats just your personal opinion, I agree that the ps3 probably will outsell the 360 but like i said not to the degree that the wii out sold every one last christmas. And whos to say microsoft wont do something to change that be4 then, we still have over half the year to go

put it this way: the 360 had a year head start, had the 'best game lineup of '07', has the best online service ever made, and is the cheapest console in europe(cheaper than wii as well).

 it's currently sitting in second place with the weakest weekly demand of the big 3.

starcraft said: Squilliam said: Just a point to understand, from what I saw of some research a while ago. 3% of console owners own 2 consoles and 2% of console owners own all 3. So 95% of console owners own just one. So essentially 95% of those extra 100,000 customers were upgrading from either a PS2 or Xbox? Well given MikeB declared that 90% of all Xbox 360 owners are Xbox upgraders, many sequels to original Xbox titles arn't out until later this year, and the price is still very high, I think it's safe to say a huge percentage of those 100,000 people, not to mention loads of the other 160,000 people that bought the Xbox 360 last week, are PS2 upgraders.

Read edit: I meant current gen owners.

from the wii we have seen that anything can disrupt and change the tides in the video game industry, ps3s weekly sales only over took the 360 after christmas, does any one know why that happened? (its an actual question, so if some one knows tell me) The 360 could just as easily turn things around this christmas, little things change the course of a console and you should all know that as a fact after the last couple of years.

its like checkers, the guy loosing can easily win the game, it all depends on how you play. sony has taken a huge hit this generation and microsoft is easily eating into some ones gaming audience and whats visible is the ps3 is loosing the audience it once had. There is no clear cut out come for the events are happening now. Its very safe to say the wii will win but its not safe to spout the 360 is dieing and the ps3 is going to come seccond

This thread turned out how I expected.

starcraft said: Final-Fan said: 2.  I guess I did incorrectly argue "PS3 vs. 360" instead of "360?"; however, (A) I think that your OP had serious overtones of that itself from which I took my cue; and (B) I don't think you've adequately made your case that the 360 is going to avoid entering a period of decline by tapping the current PS2 userbase.  The 360 is not the PS2 and price cuts didn't help the Gamecube or Xbox as much as I think you expect them to help the 360. [...] 4.  "Redact ... to obscure or remove (text) from a document prior to publication or release"  When I say that he did not "redact" any part of his OP, that means that he did not remove any incriminating material talking about (for instance) SW sales.  AFAIK the original portion of the OP is unaltered.  If you look carefully at that OP, even without the big flashy warnings it's clear that, although he uses GTA (SW) as a milestone, the subject of his question is HW.  The numbers he cites are HW.  The numbers he talks about are HW.  Why would it now follow that the numbers he is asking a question about would not be HW? I said "if you look carefully", and it's painfully clear that very few took the time to do so with DMeisterJ's question on a very touchy subject -- exactly the kind of situation that calls for careful reading.  Next time check your dictionary if you don't know the definition of a word. Finally, as for the post you quoted, is he now not allowed to respond to other people who talk about SW?  In fact, his initial response to the post in question talked about HW instead of SW, suggesting that DMeisterJ was concentrating his attention on HW discussion to the point that he didn't even notice that someone else had brought SW into it! DMeisterJ's OP talked about HW.  Not SW.  SW got dragged into the fray by other people and DMeisterJ simply failed to jump on them like a rabid badger to keep the thread on topic ... until it became obvious that there were many people misinterpreting the OP, at which point he clarified, and re-clarified, and bolded and underlined etc.  Shame on him? 2. I don't need to show that the Xbox 360 won't enter a decline because it will tap the PS2 userbase. All I need to show to prove my point is that it can do it beyond the present, and it is. It's sales are up year over year. Unless your suggesting that will change next week? 4. Of course he is allowed to respond to people that talk about software, am I not allowed to respond to his response? I didn't say that all of his statements were established in the OP of his thread did I? Read the third line of my OP: "But it culminated in DMeisterJ's thread"

2.  I'm not sure what you mean by "beyond the present".  Are you suggesting that DMeisterJ was insinuating something along the lines of "OMG 360 sales will die now that GTAIV is out!!! lol"?  Because I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant by "beginning of the end".  That would be "the end".

4.  Yes, but the POINT is that his post, which you quoted, was not (as you allege) an elaboration of the line of questioning of the OP, but rather a comment on the SW argument someone had made in the thread.  By jumping on that you deny him the right to pursue parallel lines of discussion apart from the OP subject.  He may have made SW arguments in other threads but this thread was explicitly limited to HW sales, despite the provocative title.

You can make any allegations you like about this being the apex of "360 fad will die soon" sentiment, but if you are now trying to refer to posts and discussions occurring in other threads then perhaps you ought to quote them instead.

Going back to the "failure of logic" premise of my first post, what I mean is that this:  "Many people often fail to realize that whenever a PS2 owner buys an Xbox 360, Sony normally loses a customer and future revenue, whilst Microsoft gains a customer and future revenue." makes no sense with respect to either the PS3 or the 360.  It makes perfect sense discussing the PS2 vs. PS3 situation, of which I think we are all well aware, but that has nothing to do with the current gen.  That is the mental association I made with the common "sunk costs" mistake.  (It is also valid when discussing the financial fortunes of Sony, which is well outside the scope of these discussions.)  Half your OP revolves around this irrelevancy.

dabaus513 said: This thread turned out how I expected.

everyone telling Starcraft hes wrong while hes saying everyone else is?

DOATS1 said: SnowWhitesDrug said: Moneybags said: SnowWhitesDrug said: also to note is that the ps3 and 360 sold neck and neck over last christmas so there is a chance that this coming christmas we could see similar sales, but dont expect the ps3 to sell like the wii did last christmas because the demand for it isnt as high because of different audiences Are you joking? The holiday sales difference this year compared to last year for ps360 will be much different. Wake up son. Both will sell more than last year but ps3 will much greater. This is basic shit, but i bet you won't believe it until this holiday when you see it with your own eyes.   man stop trolling and give some evidence to back up your claim, thats just your personal opinion, I agree that the ps3 probably will outsell the 360 but like i said not to the degree that the wii out sold every one last christmas. And whos to say microsoft wont do something to change that be4 then, we still have over half the year to go put it this way: the 360 had a year head start, had the 'best game lineup of '07', has the best online service ever made, and is the cheapest console in europe(cheaper than wii as well).  it's currently sitting in second place with the weakest weekly demand of the big 3.

Serious!? Europe? whats the price difference? in australia they are still quite a bit more, i would have thought we would get similar prices to our motherland :(

@AJ_habfan: (if im the noobie your talking about)
you dont mean that to be offensive do you?

oh my i feel so uncool for owning a wii, 360, and ps3 how dare i *goes into hideing*

Snowwhite - Noobie is a ridiculously biased 360 fan that spews opinions as facts and ignores rational thoughts.

SnowWhitesDrug said: Serious!? Europe? whats the price difference? in australia they are still quite a bit more, i would have thought we would get similar prices to our motherland :( @AJ_habfan: (if im the noobie your talking about) you dont mean that to be offensive do you?

the wii is £179.99, an xbox 360 arcade is £159.99.

oh and aj_habfan wasn't referring to you, there is an actual member called noobie.