Neither MGS2 nor MGS3 sold a milion in Japan lifetime. Expecting a 700K opening week is ridiculous.

Metal Gear Solid 3 + Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence = 1.01 million

The fact that you had to add the sales of two different versions together just to crawl over the million mark nicely illustrates my point.

I don't know why people bank on Metal Gear Solid 4 being a big system mover, let alone a big seller. The series has sold progressively fewer copies with each iteration, in spite of growing userbases with each new game... Don't expect it to perform miracles. It may well move a half-million PS3s in its first month, but I doubt it will sell even 1 million in the US in its first week.

800k lifetime is the typical amount for a MGS game in Japan. MGS is not anywhere close to the same league as GTA. 700k first week in Japan will not happen for a MGS4. That just does not happen. Check the sales history of the series before spouting off more non-sense.

I completely agree that his 700k claim is ridiculous, and I said as much just three posts above yours.

However, MGS does break the 1 million mark.  The Subsistence version of the game was essentially a Greatest Hits version with a few extra features thrown in.  Why shouldn't it be counted?

Funny fact: MGS3 actually outsold MGS2 in Japan (though barely), despite decreasing in sales in all other territories.

PS3 will sell more hardware with launch of MGS 4 worldwide than GTA 4.

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MGS4 having trouble breaking 1.3 million WW? The game is BUNDLED. 'Nuff said.

Less software, more hardware (reintroduction of the 80GB, with a bundled DS3, and of course MGS4).

MGS4 won't outsell GTA4 anywhere but Japan. MGS just isn't THAT big of a franchise, bundled or not. The bundle will likely be a time-limited one, much like Motorstorm was, anyway.