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Seece on 07 January 2010
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
I love the "when Sony wins, it won't matter anymore for me" damage control stance. It reminds me of my first years in school when I was 5. "Ok you win bu bu but... it doesn't matter then."

Losing is losing. In 2 years, when 360 clearly has a smaller installed base than the PS3, well, it will be a fact and MS will be called a loser as it should. No way to spin that.

For some people here, to be considered a winner with the PS3, Sony would need to overcome a full year head start without competition in only 4 years of sales (versus 5 for its competitor, 25 % more time, nice challenge), versus a much cheaper competitor ? Okaaaaaay, I guess it's really fair. Still, it's possible they'll do it somehow. Oh the irony.

It's not damage control whatsoever. What you just said sounds like playground wars.

If the 360 can manage to be even in userbase come 2011 (and that's writing Natal off completely) it really WON'T matter to anyone but fanboys. The userbases will be big and equal enough for the Xbox to still get all the multiplats it's getting now.

Then we could stop talking about console wars 1 or 2 years ago since it's been sure for a while that multiplats would always be on both HD twins.

Losing a gen is losing a gen. If PS3 sells more this gen than the 360, PS3 wins and so does Sony. And MS loses. Facts.

Nobody cares if it happens in 2010 or in 2012. Stupid spin is stupid.

 

If Microsoft was in Sony's position last year, 8 million units behind. I guarentee you they would not be getting the multiplats they are now.

If PS3 sells more this gen the fanboys will win the pissing war, and in userbase yes sony would have won VS Microsoft. Profits though? Microsoft will win there handily. To Microsoft, and the shareholders, that's all that matters.



 

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numonex on 07 January 2010

360s lead over PS3 in America = 9 million and growing.
For PS3 and 360 to be equal in ltd sales. x + y = z.
It will be a while before the PS3s lead in both Others and Japan = the 360s lead in American region. Slow sales months for the first 8 months of 2010. 360 has Natal launch, Halo:Reach + Fable 3 + more price cuts for last 4 months of 2010.

PS3 would have to outsell the 360 by 100k units in worldwide sales every week in 2010 to be equal with the 360 by Jan 1, 2011. Its not going to happen.

PS3 would have to outsell the 360 every by 50k units in worldwide sales every week for 2010 and 2011 to be equal with the 360 by Jan 1, 2012. That may or may not happen.

Over 3 years since the PS3 has launched and it is back to square one again when the 360 had a 5.3 million lead over the PS3.

I am so looking forward to seeing more names come up in red as they have been proven wrong.



mario64 on 07 January 2010
Seece said:
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
I love the "when Sony wins, it won't matter anymore for me" damage control stance. It reminds me of my first years in school when I was 5. "Ok you win bu bu but... it doesn't matter then."

Losing is losing. In 2 years, when 360 clearly has a smaller installed base than the PS3, well, it will be a fact and MS will be called a loser as it should. No way to spin that.

For some people here, to be considered a winner with the PS3, Sony would need to overcome a full year head start without competition in only 4 years of sales (versus 5 for its competitor, 25 % more time, nice challenge), versus a much cheaper competitor ? Okaaaaaay, I guess it's really fair. Still, it's possible they'll do it somehow. Oh the irony.

It's not damage control whatsoever. What you just said sounds like playground wars.

If the 360 can manage to be even in userbase come 2011 (and that's writing Natal off completely) it really WON'T matter to anyone but fanboys. The userbases will be big and equal enough for the Xbox to still get all the multiplats it's getting now.

Then we could stop talking about console wars 1 or 2 years ago since it's been sure for a while that multiplats would always be on both HD twins.

Losing a gen is losing a gen. If PS3 sells more this gen than the 360, PS3 wins and so does Sony. And MS loses. Facts.

Nobody cares if it happens in 2010 or in 2012. Stupid spin is stupid.

 

If Microsoft was in Sony's position last year, 8 million units behind. I guarentee you they would not be getting the multiplats they are now.

If PS3 sells more this gen the fanboys will win the pissing war, and in userbase yes sony would have won VS Microsoft. Profits though? Microsoft will win there handily. To Microsoft, and the shareholders, that's all that matters.

 

You and I know nothing about future profits for Sony or MS unless you've got a crystal ball.

And look, MS survived the Xbox 1 fiasco and its billions of losses, then the RROD fiasco, so I guess Sony is ok.

 



Seece on 07 January 2010
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
I love the "when Sony wins, it won't matter anymore for me" damage control stance. It reminds me of my first years in school when I was 5. "Ok you win bu bu but... it doesn't matter then."

Losing is losing. In 2 years, when 360 clearly has a smaller installed base than the PS3, well, it will be a fact and MS will be called a loser as it should. No way to spin that.

For some people here, to be considered a winner with the PS3, Sony would need to overcome a full year head start without competition in only 4 years of sales (versus 5 for its competitor, 25 % more time, nice challenge), versus a much cheaper competitor ? Okaaaaaay, I guess it's really fair. Still, it's possible they'll do it somehow. Oh the irony.

It's not damage control whatsoever. What you just said sounds like playground wars.

If the 360 can manage to be even in userbase come 2011 (and that's writing Natal off completely) it really WON'T matter to anyone but fanboys. The userbases will be big and equal enough for the Xbox to still get all the multiplats it's getting now.

Then we could stop talking about console wars 1 or 2 years ago since it's been sure for a while that multiplats would always be on both HD twins.

Losing a gen is losing a gen. If PS3 sells more this gen than the 360, PS3 wins and so does Sony. And MS loses. Facts.

Nobody cares if it happens in 2010 or in 2012. Stupid spin is stupid.

 

If Microsoft was in Sony's position last year, 8 million units behind. I guarentee you they would not be getting the multiplats they are now.

If PS3 sells more this gen the fanboys will win the pissing war, and in userbase yes sony would have won VS Microsoft. Profits though? Microsoft will win there handily. To Microsoft, and the shareholders, that's all that matters.

 

You and I know nothing about future profits for Sony or MS unless you've got a crystal ball.

And look, MS survived the Xbox 1 fiasco and its billions of losses, then the RROD fiasco, so I guess Sony is ok.

 

Yeah and Sony will survive this, never said they wouldn't. I don't need a crystal ball, all I have to do is look at last Q's profits/losses. $350+ mill profit for the 360 division, $650+ mill loss for the PS3 division. This Q is likely to see both those figures rise (- for Sony)

ANother thing to note, the first Xbox was to get a foothold in the market. It was always very unlikly they would make a profit, even so at this point in it's life. It was making a profit.



 

mario64 on 07 January 2010
numonex said:


PS3 would have to outsell the 360 by 100k units in worldwide sales every week in 2010 to be equal with the 360 by Jan 1, 2011. Its not going to happen.

PS3 would have to outsell the 360 every by 50k units in worldwide sales every week for 2010 and 2011 to be equal with the 360 by Jan 1, 2012. That may or may not happen.

Over 3 years since the PS3 has launched and it is back to square one again when the 360 had a 5.3 million lead over the PS3.

I am so looking forward to seeing more names come up in red as they have been proven wrong.

Well, look, PS3 just outsold 360 by 200k last week again, so that's double the number which is needed according to you.

And when you talk about people being wrong, well you can see a lot of them in the MS camp who predicted Sony was doomed and PS3 wouldn't sell. They're now being laughed at every week.

 



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mario64 on 07 January 2010
Seece said:
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
I love the "when Sony wins, it won't matter anymore for me" damage control stance. It reminds me of my first years in school when I was 5. "Ok you win bu bu but... it doesn't matter then."

Losing is losing. In 2 years, when 360 clearly has a smaller installed base than the PS3, well, it will be a fact and MS will be called a loser as it should. No way to spin that.

For some people here, to be considered a winner with the PS3, Sony would need to overcome a full year head start without competition in only 4 years of sales (versus 5 for its competitor, 25 % more time, nice challenge), versus a much cheaper competitor ? Okaaaaaay, I guess it's really fair. Still, it's possible they'll do it somehow. Oh the irony.

It's not damage control whatsoever. What you just said sounds like playground wars.

If the 360 can manage to be even in userbase come 2011 (and that's writing Natal off completely) it really WON'T matter to anyone but fanboys. The userbases will be big and equal enough for the Xbox to still get all the multiplats it's getting now.

Then we could stop talking about console wars 1 or 2 years ago since it's been sure for a while that multiplats would always be on both HD twins.

Losing a gen is losing a gen. If PS3 sells more this gen than the 360, PS3 wins and so does Sony. And MS loses. Facts.

Nobody cares if it happens in 2010 or in 2012. Stupid spin is stupid.

 

If Microsoft was in Sony's position last year, 8 million units behind. I guarentee you they would not be getting the multiplats they are now.

If PS3 sells more this gen the fanboys will win the pissing war, and in userbase yes sony would have won VS Microsoft. Profits though? Microsoft will win there handily. To Microsoft, and the shareholders, that's all that matters.

 

You and I know nothing about future profits for Sony or MS unless you've got a crystal ball.

And look, MS survived the Xbox 1 fiasco and its billions of losses, then the RROD fiasco, so I guess Sony is ok.

 

Yeah and Sony will survive this, never said they wouldn't. I don't need a crystal ball, all I have to do is look at last Q's profits/losses. $350+ mill profit for the 360 division, $650+ mill loss for the PS3 division. This Q is likely to see both those figures rise (- for Sony)

ANother thing to note, the first Xbox was to get a foothold in the market. It was always very unlikly they would make a profit, even so at this point in it's life. It was making a profit.

360 came earlier to the market, so of course it became profitable earlier. It says absolutely nothing about future profits.

 



Seece on 07 January 2010
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
Seece said:
mario64 said:
I love the "when Sony wins, it won't matter anymore for me" damage control stance. It reminds me of my first years in school when I was 5. "Ok you win bu bu but... it doesn't matter then."

Losing is losing. In 2 years, when 360 clearly has a smaller installed base than the PS3, well, it will be a fact and MS will be called a loser as it should. No way to spin that.

For some people here, to be considered a winner with the PS3, Sony would need to overcome a full year head start without competition in only 4 years of sales (versus 5 for its competitor, 25 % more time, nice challenge), versus a much cheaper competitor ? Okaaaaaay, I guess it's really fair. Still, it's possible they'll do it somehow. Oh the irony.

It's not damage control whatsoever. What you just said sounds like playground wars.

If the 360 can manage to be even in userbase come 2011 (and that's writing Natal off completely) it really WON'T matter to anyone but fanboys. The userbases will be big and equal enough for the Xbox to still get all the multiplats it's getting now.

Then we could stop talking about console wars 1 or 2 years ago since it's been sure for a while that multiplats would always be on both HD twins.

Losing a gen is losing a gen. If PS3 sells more this gen than the 360, PS3 wins and so does Sony. And MS loses. Facts.

Nobody cares if it happens in 2010 or in 2012. Stupid spin is stupid.

 

If Microsoft was in Sony's position last year, 8 million units behind. I guarentee you they would not be getting the multiplats they are now.

If PS3 sells more this gen the fanboys will win the pissing war, and in userbase yes sony would have won VS Microsoft. Profits though? Microsoft will win there handily. To Microsoft, and the shareholders, that's all that matters.

 

You and I know nothing about future profits for Sony or MS unless you've got a crystal ball.

And look, MS survived the Xbox 1 fiasco and its billions of losses, then the RROD fiasco, so I guess Sony is ok.

 

Yeah and Sony will survive this, never said they wouldn't. I don't need a crystal ball, all I have to do is look at last Q's profits/losses. $350+ mill profit for the 360 division, $650+ mill loss for the PS3 division. This Q is likely to see both those figures rise (- for Sony)

ANother thing to note, the first Xbox was to get a foothold in the market. It was always very unlikly they would make a profit, even so at this point in it's life. It was making a profit.

360 came earlier to the market, so of course it became profitable earlier. It says absolutely nothing about future profits.

 

I'm talking about the ORIGINAL Xbox. The X360 was making profit 3 years ago.



 

mario64 on 07 January 2010

I was answering your first statement about the 360 division being profitable, not your second statement about Xbox 1.

And Xbox 360 wasn't making profit 3 years ago since billions were lost in the RROD fiasco.

Same thing for Xbox 1, it wasn't profitable at all (several billions in losses).



Seraphic_Sixaxis on 07 January 2010

Ima' gonna say never most likely, Sony screwed up far to much to ensure anykind of true lead, and even if they do, it will be so SMALL (half a Mil if THAT.) is it really worth bragging about unless your a a fanboy? no, its not.

So ima say never. though that does not mean the quality of there games are not good or anything, its just that a lead would be pretty damn meaningless at this point.



numonex on 07 January 2010

^200k gap for Xmas week. The 360 did well. The next 8 months the PS3 will be struggling to outsell the 360 by 100k every week. Momentum of the price cuts will slow and slow sales months ahead. New game launches will temporary boost sales for a week or two but not a prolonged impact on sales.

The last 4 months of 2010 the 360 will outsell the PS3 in weekly sales just you all wait and see. It will happen. Things can turn around in a blink of an eye.