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Seadavie, Literally a couple of people mentioned the word “Muslim” yet you are turning this entire debate into being about Muslims. Immigration is not just Muslims like you seem to believe, in fact I myself said the word “people” when describing those who come here and try to denounce our country. And yes it is mostly the Left in Britain that tend to side with Anti British rhetoric, those who lean to the right tend to defend ourselves.

This is about being silenced for being proud of our nation, yet anyone who doesn’t like patriotism tends to get a free pass to attack it.

Last edited by Shaun87 - on 17 July 2025

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She got punished for a dress code violation in a school. There is no evidence it was by foreigners or the left or George soros or whoever. It was the decision of a school. That's the end of the story, unless you know more about it than published in the news.

I went to school in the UK and got in trouble a lot. I got punished for all sorts of things, including dress code. No evidence it was because they were foreigners or muslims. They were just the kind of people that like to punish children for minor stuff, and probably make themselves feel better, I would guess.



SeaDaVie said:

It is quite clear her outfit, which is completely hideous, was not appropriate for a school setting, nor did it have cultural significance.

I could easily argue that the people of the UK have their own, unique culture. Easily.



JackHandy said:
SeaDaVie said:

It is quite clear her outfit, which is completely hideous, was not appropriate for a school setting, nor did it have cultural significance.

I could easily argue that the people of the UK have their own, unique culture. Easily.

They do, but that outfit was not it.



SeaDaVie said:
JackHandy said:

I could easily argue that the people of the UK have their own, unique culture. Easily.

They do, but that outfit was not it.

How so?



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SeaDaVie said:

Yes, I have confirmation bias in regards to the characterisation of a person I've never encountered before in my entire life. Makes perfect sense.

What about the people blaming this decision on foreigners, Muslims and left-wing lunatics without knowong a single thing about who made the decision or why? That's not confirmation bias at all, and definitely not ignorant and prejudiced. Again, though another person chose to ignore that and focus on the one person who actually highlighted the reason the girl was asked to leave the class, and not because the school is run by Muslims(or whatever group your preconceived biases aligns you against) 

Another shining light of humanity you are eh. I get it, this website tends to have a lot, let's say, outcasts; people that feel anger at being left behind by society, and you want to take that anger out on someone. However, maybe just think for a second about where that anger is coming from, who is stoking it and what their objective is. 

You didn't highlight anything except your own preconceptions, though why you'd be biased against a 12 year old child, I have no idea.  It wasn't a dress code violation, it was someone in the school overstepping their bounds and punishing a student for an unexplained reason--though it's not unreasonable to think it was politically motivated given the press release from the school.

I mean, they have already apologized and admitted they screwed up badly.  You're defending something the original perpetrators aren't even defending.  Think about that.  It's kind of like that "you're already dead, you just don't know it" meme.

I get it, you're here because you're an outcast from somewhere else, most likely because you had the same problems with anger that you're having now, but letting others manipulate you seriously does not make you look smart.  It just makes you a puppet.  Ask yourself why you're angry on the behalf of people who admitted they made a big mistake.  Ask yourself why you're defending the mistreatment of a child.



Shaun87 said:

Seadavie, Literally a couple of people mentioned the word “Muslim” yet you are turning this entire debate into being about Muslims. Immigration is not just Muslims like you seem to believe, in fact I myself said the word “people” when describing those who come here and try to denounce our country. And yes it is mostly the Left in Britain that tend to side with Anti British rhetoric, those who lean to the right tend to defend ourselves.

This is about being silenced for being proud of our nation, yet anyone who doesn’t like patriotism tends to get a free pass to attack it.

Patriotism is not the same as cultural identity first of all. 

British is not a cultural identity, there are many cultural identities in Britain, the clue lies in United Kingdom. The English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish all have different cultural identities.

However, the school over reacted and obviously failed to properly explain what they meant to accomplish with the event. The letter sent home to parents does state no sports kits and emphasizes traditional cultural dress. 

Anyway nobody knows the reason she was pulled out, too revealing could be one of them as UK school uniforms do not feature tight fighting clothes with bear shoulders. "I was going to be Ginger Spice, it's iconic and then I was told I am not allowed in lessons either."

Pop groups / sports teams same thing really, and the school didn't find the dress appropriate for class either.

It seems this is more British prudishness than anti British rhetoric that this has been blown into. Would she have been banned dressed in Victorian costume? Couldn't the school just have told her to wear a jacket over top. 

In UK schools with dress codes, a common requirement is that girls' uniforms should not expose bare arms, meaning sleeveless tops or dresses may be prohibited. This often extends to a broader emphasis on modesty, with expectations for appropriate skirt/dress lengths and necklines. While there's no universal UK-wide rule, many schools implement similar dress code policies


The sad thing is how this is blowing up, pointless distraction that should have just been handled by the school board.



SeaDaVie said:
Mummelmann said:

How is the outfit inappropriate for a school setting? That's sounds like something a strict religious school driven by moralism would claim. And how is a flag not culturally significant as a symbol and token of belonging? I suppose you go to various protests and instruct people to tuck away their flags since they lack relevance. This is a very strange take on the situation. Heck; let's not even flag on national holidays in our nations.

Also, calling people "incel" is a not a great way to promote your own stellar views or superiority. Angry people are easy to manipulate, you seem quite angry yourself, based on the language in your post. Introspection is your friend.

Edit; before anyone has a heart-attack - she wore a bowler hat, just about the most iconic English design there is, along with the silhouette of the Aston Martin DB5 and the Big Ben.

If you turn up to school in a sequin covered dress and a hat you are going to get into trouble, yes. Schools have actual dress codes in the UK. 

A flag is obviously not a culturally appropriate attire, being that it isn’t attire at all. Similarly if she’d worn a Scone that also wouldn’t be appropriate, despite scones being quite lovely, and completely inoffensive.

It looks as if they normally wear a uniform in her school (according to the first link.) So every outfit that was not the uniform violated the dress code. Am I missing something?  You, I believe, in a later post claim she violated the dress code.  That does not appear to be the case as every outfit that wasn't their uniform violated the everyday dress code. This was a special dress day.

Also from the article 

“It’s about being British, the Spice Girls and even the freedom at being able to wear a dress. This is just what being British means to her.

Grade-A student Courtney also planned to read a speech celebrating Shakespeare, fish and chips, and the royal family

How long does something have to be done to be considered a tradition or traditional? Weren't all traditions young once?  Wasn't every traditional dress new fashion at some point?  The Spice Girls were 30 years ago. That is nearly three times the girls age.  I've said it before and I will say  it again timing and in this case perspective do not get the credit in life they deserve.

I posed probably too many questions so I will stop here.



pokoko said:
SeaDaVie said:

Yes, I have confirmation bias in regards to the characterisation of a person I've never encountered before in my entire life. Makes perfect sense.

What about the people blaming this decision on foreigners, Muslims and left-wing lunatics without knowong a single thing about who made the decision or why? That's not confirmation bias at all, and definitely not ignorant and prejudiced. Again, though another person chose to ignore that and focus on the one person who actually highlighted the reason the girl was asked to leave the class, and not because the school is run by Muslims(or whatever group your preconceived biases aligns you against) 

Another shining light of humanity you are eh. I get it, this website tends to have a lot, let's say, outcasts; people that feel anger at being left behind by society, and you want to take that anger out on someone. However, maybe just think for a second about where that anger is coming from, who is stoking it and what their objective is. 

You didn't highlight anything except your own preconceptions, though why you'd be biased against a 12 year old child, I have no idea.  It wasn't a dress code violation, it was someone in the school overstepping their bounds and punishing a student for an unexplained reason--though it's not unreasonable to think it was politically motivated given the press release from the school.

I mean, they have already apologized and admitted they screwed up badly.  You're defending something the original perpetrators aren't even defending.  Think about that.  It's kind of like that "you're already dead, you just don't know it" meme.

I get it, you're here because you're an outcast from somewhere else, most likely because you had the same problems with anger that you're having now, but letting others manipulate you seriously does not make you look smart.  It just makes you a puppet.  Ask yourself why you're angry on the behalf of people who admitted they made a big mistake.  Ask yourself why you're defending the mistreatment of a child.

Nothing you say makes any sense at all. There is a page of people blaming it on muslims and foreigners and I pointed out the actual rule infringement. That's not my preconception, blaming it on people you have been taught to hate is a preconception, not reading through the document and trying to understand the nature of the problem.

It's not about defending the school, who I know absolutely nothing about. It was about pointing out that there can be an actual reason this decision was made that had nothing to do with the country being taken over by Muslims or foreigners. You're assuming it was politically motivated, that's your preconception.

Again, though, the fact youre offended by my comments and not the people displaying pretty obvious biases and prejudices is pretty telling. 



The_Yoda said:
SeaDaVie said:

If you turn up to school in a sequin covered dress and a hat you are going to get into trouble, yes. Schools have actual dress codes in the UK. 

A flag is obviously not a culturally appropriate attire, being that it isn’t attire at all. Similarly if she’d worn a Scone that also wouldn’t be appropriate, despite scones being quite lovely, and completely inoffensive.

It looks as if they normally wear a uniform in her school (according to the first link.) So every outfit that was not the uniform violated the dress code. Am I missing something?  You, I believe, in a later post claim she violated the dress code.  That does not appear to be the case as every outfit that wasn't their uniform violated the everyday dress code. This was a special dress day.

Also from the article 

“It’s about being British, the Spice Girls and even the freedom at being able to wear a dress. This is just what being British means to her.”

Grade-A student Courtney also planned to read a speech celebrating Shakespeare, fish and chips, and the royal family

How long does something have to be done to be considered a tradition or traditional? Weren't all traditions young once?  Wasn't every traditional dress new fashion at some point?  The Spice Girls were 30 years ago. That is nearly three times the girls age.  I've said it before and I will say  it again timing and in this case perspective do not get the credit in life they deserve.

I posed probably too many questions so I will stop here.

People have been wearing Adidas tracksuits longer than the Spices Girls existed but if you show up to culture day in trackies you'll get told to go home.