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the-pi-guy said:
Ryuu96 said:

This is how GeForce Now and all other Cloud providers already work, no?

GeForce isn't selling the consumer content, none of these Cloud Gaming Providers are. The transactions are made via the relevant stores (E.g. Microsoft Store/Steam) and they are the ones who get the 30% cut. If you want to play a game via GeForce Now then you have to buy it on a storefront (I.E. Steam) who take a 30% cut, the publisher gets the rest and Nvidia gets nothing.

So I don't think this would or even could apply to PS Plus? Because you'd still be playing the PlayStation version of the game and any transactions made would be via the PlayStation store where Microsoft has no way of taking 100%. Nvidia, Boosteroid, Ubitus, etc, are simply using your Steam library and all content purchased there so they aren't entitled to a cut.

Their business model is Subscriptions to their Cloud service, not transactions via a store, because they have no store.

Good point.

Seems like a strange point for CMA to bring up in that case. 

Hmhm.

This makes it doubly strange of a complaint.

The Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) says it is consulting on commitments offered by Google which would give app developers the freedom to break away from Google Play’s billing system and use alternatives to process in-app payments.

Following the CMA’s market study into ‘mobile ecosystems’ and concerns raised that Google’s control over payment processing in Google Play is potentially leading to higher prices and reduced choice for Android users, a new investigation was launched into these in-app payment rules.

CMA and other regulators are going after Google and Apple right now for taking 30% cuts and not offering alternative ways for developers to avoid those 30% cuts on in-game transactions and are pushing Google & Apple to allow that, so that developers can take 100% of certain transactions, such as in-game transactions.

Bit odd? To bash Microsoft for taking 100% cut of CoD from someone (GeForce) who doesn't even have a store to take a cut of the sales from but at the same time encourage developers to take 100% cuts from iOS/Android who do provide the store...Microsoft is a developer of CoD...Like Epic is the developer of Fortnite...

Microsoft has to share the transactional revenue with a Cloud service who doesn't even provide a store but Epic doesn't have to with iOS/Android?

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Zippy6 said:
the-pi-guy said:

Good point.

Seems like a strange point for CMA to bring up in that case. 

Yes the bigger question than the boosteroid/gfn deals etc is if the 100% revenue deal was for cloud streaming services like PS+ or if they made a deal with someone like Luna and it was still 100%.

Considering "the third party" was likely PlayStation? Then it would seem they wanted 100% from in-app purchases on PS+. E.G Someone cloud streaming warzone. But perhaps not.

Wouldn't Luna be the same? Just thinking about Ubisoft...Luna + Ubisoft allows you to Stream your "Ubisoft Connect" library so Amazon surely can't take any cut from Ubisoft transactions either and only make their money from the users subscribed to Luna?

So Microsoft in this case = Ubisoft and Luna wouldn't be entitled to 100% there either?

Honestly it was almost definitely PlayStation but the fact that they mention GeForce Now only (even though it's completely wrong to mention them as they take nothing either way) it makes me think it was just Sony trying to poison the well and confuse regulators, Lol.



Ryuu96 said:
Zippy6 said:

Yes the bigger question than the boosteroid/gfn deals etc is if the 100% revenue deal was for cloud streaming services like PS+ or if they made a deal with someone like Luna and it was still 100%.

Considering "the third party" was likely PlayStation? Then it would seem they wanted 100% from in-app purchases on PS+. E.G Someone cloud streaming warzone. But perhaps not.

Wouldn't Luna be the same? Just thinking about Ubisoft...Luna + Ubisoft allows you to Stream your "Ubisoft Connect" library so Amazon surely can't take any cut from Ubisoft transactions either and only make their money from the users subscribed to Luna?

So Microsoft in this case = Ubisoft and Luna wouldn't be entitled to 100% there either?

Honestly it was almost definitely PlayStation but the fact that they mention GeForce Now only (even though it's completely wrong to mention them as they take nothing either way) it makes me think it was just Sony trying to poison the well and confuse regulators, Lol.

Luna has a subscription to access a pack of games, previously they had a "ubisoft channel" specifically for Luna that you had to pay for but got all their games. Now you can link your ubisoft account and play the games you own as well as play them with ubisoft+ or the new ubisoft+ anywhere subscription. 

Ubisoft+ Sub can be purchased directly through Luna so I'm sure they must get a cut there. Also the Ubisoft+ Anywhere subscription must compensate platform holders in some way otherwise there's no way it would be allowed on Xbox and in the future PlayStation which is already confirmed as coming.

Unlike GFN/Boosteroid You do not need a subscription to Luna to play your owned Ubisoft titles so they must be receiving compensation in some way for those outside of ubisoft+ also. Otherwise they have literally zero incentive to allow it.



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Ryuu96 said:

I want to make a post on this silly "kill consoles" fear or suggestion going around but I'm not the best at maths so I'm worried I'd fuck it up

Literally no point pimp. 

Forum warriors think they know more than business execs running a trillion dollar company. 



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Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum. I've always had Xbox consoles, but the Xbox One era wasn't great and I thought things would be different now, but it's a bit disappointing. Suprised Xbox Series hardware sales are pretty terrible this year. I hope it will improve so that it remains interesting for 3rd party developers to develop for Xbox. It's nice to read some 'positive' messages in this topic! So, I'm happy to read along.



Spade said:
Ryuu96 said:

I want to make a post on this silly "kill consoles" fear or suggestion going around but I'm not the best at maths so I'm worried I'd fuck it up

Literally no point pimp. 

Forum warriors think they know more than business execs running a trillion dollar company. 

For this thread



PixelPirate said:

Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum. I've always had Xbox consoles, but the Xbox One era wasn't great and I thought things would be different now, but it's a bit disappointing. Suprised Xbox Series hardware sales are pretty terrible this year. I hope it will improve so that it remains interesting for 3rd party developers to develop for Xbox. It's nice to read some 'positive' messages in this topic! So, I'm happy to read along.

Another new user.

Welcome to the thread.



Ryuu96 said:
Spade said:

Literally no point pimp. 

Forum warriors think they know more than business execs running a trillion dollar company. 

For this thread

Don't be scared, venture out there.



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