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drkohler said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I think Bukhmut was used as a death trap for Wagner

No I don't think Ukrania has the manpower to do that.

While it is sort-of "cool" that Ukranian forces try to encircle Bakhmut right now, they have the same problems as the Russians/Wagnerites have had.

1. In order to take back Bakhmuth, the Ukranians face the same problems now. Getting rid of entrenched Wagnerites will cost them a huge amount of men, as Wagnerites can entrench themselves the same way as the Ukranians have done. There still is open terrain to the east for supplies and more men. Ukrania can only hope that Putin actually plans to get rid of the Wagnerites inside Bakhmut, which likely is the faction of remaining Wagner forces with the most battle experience. 

2. These encircling Ukranian forces have a very weak position as far as supplies and manpower are concerned. Russians can attack the encircling Ukranian forces any time, any place. Essentially an "encircle the encircles" maneuvre.

As long as Ukraine keeps the fighting around Bakhmut, the less Ukrainians cities destroyed. Supply might be great at Kramatorsk, but then another city would be under siege.



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Nobody knows how many troops Ukraine has left (many military analysts and insiders say that manpower isn't an issue though) but we do know they have a bunch of newly formed brigades (thousands per brigade) and not a single one has been sent to Bakhmut so I don't think Ukraine intends on assaulting Bakhmut, they can take their time slowly encircling it.

Wagner is NOT a defensive force either, they are an attacking force, they will either be pulled out of Bakhmut to attack elsewhere (against fresh Ukrainian troops) or attempt to push from Bakhmut, Russia will swap the Wagner forces out for Russian troops, either veterans or fresh conscripts, either one has a nightmare to defend and we've seen the quality of Russia's veteran units being slaughtered in Vulhedar.

Russia has spent almost all of its offensive capability (no, taking a tiny city after 9 months, thousands of lives and hundreds of vehicles doesn't count for much), they can only defend the lines they have, Ukraine only needs to hold Bakhmut area lines until their offensive starts, if they achieve a breakthrough then we'll likely see another Russian panic.

Wagner has literally flattened Bakhmut, there is nothing left able to defend, there is no defensible positions, Ukraine doesn't need to roll into the city, they just need to get into a good position around the city and then artillery and bomb the shit out of it and force the Russians to retreat. In addition, Ukraine will have the high ground around Bakhmut over the city if they push an encirclement further.

If Russia could do #2 then they would have done #2 already.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 22 May 2023



How it feel Russia...

MFs can't even defend their damn border against a tiny group with a couple of vehicles.

Does Russians liberating Russia count as a Russian loss or a Russian gain?



LOL! RUSSIA!

"WE LET THEM IN!"



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Lawd

This is just psyops causing chaos and the incursion won't last long but these memes and the embarrassment for Russia is so good.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 22 May 2023

Lmao.