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Germany Warns US Against Concessions to Russia on Ukraine Before Official Talks Begin

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European leaders demand participation in negotiations on Russo-Ukrainian war
The joint statement says that Ukraine and Europe should participate in any negotiations alongside the United States

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/european-leaders-demand-participation-in-negotiations-on-russo-ukrainian-war



shavenferret said:
Ryuu96 said:

How is Trump's plan going on forcing Russia to concessions via sanctions?

Thanks America, for Making Russia Great Again.

America's masterclass in negotiations so far = Give Russia two major concessions before negotiations begin, thus providing them with two major wins, weaken the position of the victim and give a boost to Russia's stock market whilst Russia has not yet done a single thing in return. Trump is doing more positive for Russia's economy than fucking America's.

Putin Has Waited For This Moment For 3 Years, As Zelensky Is Left In The Cold | CNN

Is this a pictograph of market share and profitability?  I was under the impression that russian oil profits were down to a great degree.  

Edit:  Nevermind, did a google image search and this shows how russian stocks jumped up after news of the peace plan broke

It's the Russian stock market, yeah, it jumped thanks to Trump.



🇷🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦 Trump and Putin may aim for a ceasefire by Easter (April 20) or May 9, Russia’s Victory Day, senior Ukrainian & Western officials told FT.

“Putin will want a deal on a notable day like this,” said a Ukrainian official.

www.ft.com/content/2bf2...

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 14:53

May 9th? Is this a fucking joke? Russia's Victory Day? Can you be anymore fucking blatant that you're a Russian asset?



Wtf

I don't see why Ukraine should negotiate now at all. They should wait until russia's army falls apart. They made the deal with America and they can have the missles that they won't get anywhere else. Europe can supply the rest. They should keep fighting and not stop.



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"I don't think it was a priority that he talked to Russia first. Although it's really not very pleasant," – Zelensky on Trump’s call with Putin.

"Ukraine will not accept any bilateral peace talks without our participation and that of our European partners," he added.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 14:41

Zelenskyy is really holding his tongue, I feel so bad for him, how much bullshit he has to put up with to save his country, a lot of other cowardly politicians (like Trump) would have fled their country and let it die. Zelenskyy tried everything to appease Trump, held his tongue, massaged his ego, offered him an extremely favourable deal, when in reality I bet he wants to knock Trump the fuck out.

I hope we day we get Zelenskyy going completely no holding back on what he truly thinks of Trump.



shavenferret said:

Wtf

I don't see why Ukraine should negotiate now at all. They should wait until russia's army falls apart. They made the deal with America and they can have the missles that they won't get anywhere else. Europe can supply the rest. They should keep fighting and not stop.

If America does abandon Ukraine, I wonder if Ukraine could still apply pressure, if Europe is willing to buy American equipment then is America's MIC really going to turn that down because daddy Trump said no? Maybe we have an opportunity to turn America's MIC against America itself, Lol. America's MIC won't turn down billions because Trump wants to save Putin.

But that should only be equipment for Ukraine, Europe shouldn't buy American equipment for itself anymore, it should be 100% European made equipment and then post-war we can help Ukraine swap to European standard too, I only suggest buying American equipment for Ukraine now just because they need whatever they can get, and to throw a spanner in America's plans.



Where is this famous, scary, powerful MIC that I hear so much about in America? I was always told they control America, Lol. They really going to turn down billions of dollars? Where are they pressuring Trump to continue supplying Ukraine? Was it all bollocks? Are they just as cowardly as everyone else? I mean, it's horrible to say but war is profitable for them, so is everything I've been told by both leftist and right wingers that they control America all total bullshit? Time for them to prove they have any actual muscle in America, or see if they rollover like everyone else for Emperor Trump. America's military needs to grow a spine as well and stand up for their allies against Trump's bullshit.

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🇺🇸 Former Trump National Security Advisor John Bolton slammed President Trump’s call with Putin, saying he "effectively surrendered" to the Russian leader.

"Putin couldn’t be happier. They’re drinking vodka straight from the bottle in the Kremlin. A big day for Moscow," Bolton told CNN.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 08:01

The new U.S. administration has already made concessions to Russia on Ukraine—even before peace negotiations have begun, — German Defense Minister Pistorius.

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 10:12

💯 German defence minister: Better if US didn't make concessions before talks

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— Ukrainska Pravda 🇺🇦 (@pravda.ua) 13 February 2025 at 13:31

🇪🇺 "No deal will work without Europe, and Europe will continue to support Ukraine," says EU high representative Kaja Kallas.

"Quick decisions are dirty deals that won't stop the war. Concessions before talks are appeasement that won't work. If Ukraine resists, Europe will increase support."

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 13:04

🇫🇷 Peace through weakness in Ukraine could expand the conflict, warns French Defense Minister Sébastien Lecornu.

“Peace must come through strength. Otherwise, it could lead to dramatic security risks or even a wider war.”

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 14:38

French Defense Minister Lecornu cites Trump's surrender to Putin as rather than "peace through strength", it's "peace through weakness" which will lead to a widening of the conflict.

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— Kyiv Insider (@kyivinsider.bsky.social) 13 February 2025 at 13:30


🇬🇧 UK Defense Secretary John Healey:

"There can be no negotiations about Ukraine without Ukraine. Ukraine’s voice must be central to any talks. Our task is to put them in the strongest position to secure a lasting peace through strength."

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 14:48

🇬🇧🇺🇦 Ukraine should "send Trump away," says a source from The Times in the British Ministry of Defense.

"Ukrainians fought for three years, losing sons & daughters, not to be excluded from talks on their future."

www.thetimes.com/uk/defence/a...

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— NOELREPORTS (@noelreports.com) 13 February 2025 at 15:31