starcraft said:
Phendrana said:
@starcraft
What isolated incidents? I'm talking about church policy, not just Paulette Cooper. It's their policy to get as much money as possible, break up families, get people off important medication and be aggressive against critics. That's not an incident, that's standard procedure.
And if their policies say to "trick, sue, lie to or destroy" their enemies, how is that NOT a causal link?
You do realize the FBI raided Scientology headquarters in 1977, right? And that they found documents about illegal activity against both the US government and enemies of the church (framings)? Not only that, but the plans were written by the founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, and 11 high-ranking members of the church were convicted of charges. |
Again, your entirely ignoring what I am saying. I am 100% positive that it is not the official policy of the CoS to "break up families and make as much money as possible. Likewise, I'm sure thats not the official policy of the exclusive brethren group I mentioned (an example you flatly ignored). You have no conclusive proof whatsoever, you cannot possibly establish a causal link. I fully agree that this number of isolated incidents is enough to warrant a full Senate or Federal Court enquiry, but as of now all you have is defamatory accusations. I could stand for the defamatory accusations, if they were coming from someone who was happy to be identified and called upon to back up their allegations. But to completely deny natural justice to a group perported to have over half a million followers is absolutely ridiculous. Do you not realize that in declaring anyone who disagrees with him guilty of the same crimes he is accusing the CoS of, ssj12 adopted the very same tactics he is accusing the Church of. |
Yes it IS policy. It's how the church works. It's like saying where's the proof that Christians pray. I'm sure it doesn't say "Rule 1: Break up families" but that's what they boil down to. Let me break this up in to sections here since you apparently don't know how the church works (but act like you do).
1. Make as much money as possible. L. Ron Hubbard has said many times his purpose in creating Scientology was to make money. It costs close to $400000 to get all teachings of Scientology. They charge for every level you move up.
2. Break up families. They even have a term for this one. They call it "disconnection" when a member of the church is forbidden to be in any type of contact with anyone who doesn't support Scientology. The person moves into the Scientology headquarters where they remain isolated from their friends and families for years. Most families never hear from them again.
3. Get people off important medication. They are against psychiatry and forbid their members from taking any form of medication. They practice natural remedies instead. Even Tom Cruise has said this publicly. It's been documented that people on medication to control mental disorders and life threatening conditions such as schizophrenia had been removed from their medication. There have been documented deaths that have occurred because of this negligence.
4. Aggressiveness against critics. It was written in their policy procedures. That's about as close to policy as you can get.
I understand your point about knowing your accusers, but it's been said countless times already the church will come after you if they know who you are. You've only responded by saying you don't believe they would do that. Don't blame us for not listening to your point when you shrug our reason off every time we say it. And just so you know, there are plenty of people who are accusing the church that aren't annonymous. Mark Bunker is one of the more outspoken people. Not counting big names, there are plenty of people who go to these protests without masks. Most people involved, however, would rather remain annonymous than have Scientologists follow them around (and yes, many people have reported being stalked by Scientologists member after attending these events).
