StarCraft - Look up Scientology's disconnection policy, Lisa McPherson, Heribert Pfaff, Josephus Havenith, Scientology's Boiler Room.

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

The only reason your defending this inhuman behavior by the Co$ is if you have personally commited crimes equivilent to or worse then them, or you are a Scientology member yourself and look at the crimes as just or you just dont have any human emotions. 

And StarCraft, I only wear a mask if the losers of Scientology try to take pictures.

I could be wrong.  I mean I REALLY HOPE I'M WRONG.  But did ssj12 just tell me that if I don't agree with his opinion I am without doubt a murderer?

Omg, ssj12 is a Scientologist confirmed. What are your crimes?!?!

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y

I'll say again.  There is no causal link between the isolated incidents to which you refer, and the CoS at large.  There has been no broad ranging inquires, no high commisions, no Senate Commitee inquiries etc.  All of this is purely speculative. 

Even if every single one of your allegations is fundamentally correct, the idea that the media grants such one-sided coverage to a group that would deny a religious group natural justice is absolutely abhorrent.  Regardless of what the CoS has or has not done, it deserves the right to face and question it's accusers.  Noone can blame the Church for labelling Anonymous cyber-terrorists if the group refuses to identify itself and back their accusations with their own reputations. 

@starcraft
What isolated incidents? I'm talking about church policy, not just Paulette Cooper. It's their policy to get as much money as possible, break up families, get people off important medication and be aggressive against critics. That's not an incident, that's standard procedure.

And if their policies say to "trick, sue, lie to or destroy" their enemies, how is that NOT a causal link?

You do realize the FBI raided Scientology headquarters in 1977, right? And that they found documents about illegal activity against both the US government and enemies of the church (framings)? Not only that, but the plans were written by the founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, and 11 high-ranking members of the church were convicted of charges.

It took me a while to read all of this thread ... but I'm sorry SSJ12 but Starcraft isn't trying to defend or condone any of the things those guys do, he hasn't say anything like that =(

He is just saying that, murderers, rapists and every other criminal has the right to face their accusers, what those CoS do is disgusting ... but if you go against them with a mask on and start to throw accusations (wich thanks to all the testimonies of people that have been in that church make are likely true) you are just being a coward ... i'm not trying to offend ... really ... that's the only word that came to my mind...

the people that comes out from that "religion" and tell their experiences ... all the horrible things that happened to them ... they do it at open face ... they don't wear masks ... they are the brave ones...

 Again ... I'm totally against the horrible practices of Scientology's leaders ... but i see the point Starcraft is trying to make... and I'm not trying to troll on anybody by calling you a coward ... just trying to give my opinion

Um rapist and murderers dont have the right to face their accusers like in one of these settings.

Again, your entirely ignoring what I am saying. I am 100% positive that it is not the official policy of the CoS to "break up families and make as much money as possible.  Likewise, I'm sure thats not the official policy of the exclusive brethren group I mentioned (an example you flatly ignored).  You have no conclusive proof whatsoever, you cannot possibly establish a causal link.  I fully agree that this number of isolated incidents is enough to warrant a full Senate or Federal Court enquiry, but as of now all you have is defamatory accusations. 

I could stand for the defamatory accusations, if they were coming from someone who was happy to be identified and called upon to back up their allegations.   But to completely deny natural justice to a group perported to have over half a million followers is absolutely ridiculous.  Do you not realize that in declaring anyone who disagrees with him guilty of the same crimes he is accusing the CoS of, ssj12 adopted the very same tactics he is accusing the Church of. 

Thankyou for taking the effort to read and understand what I am saying.  Unfortunately, the days when everyone on this forum made a similar effort before launching into an unfounded attack are long gone.

I'm assuming you mean "alleged" rapists and murderers.   If someone pleads guilty to one of these crimes then of course there is no reason for them to face their accusers.  However, everyone is entitled to a fair trial and to be presumed innocent.  It is an absolutely fundamental right of any accused to have charges properly tested before judgement is passed.

Accountability is key.