WolfpackN64 said:
JWeinCom said:
No, that the cosmological argument, as you have presented it, is formally valid is in question. Because I'm questioning it. We have to establish that it is valid before we can even begin to address soundness (which correct me if I'm wrong seems to be what you mean by factually valid).
So let, me repeat my question. You seem to get quite irritated when you feel people do not respond to your argument, so please respond to my question. It's a pretty simple yes or no question.
I'm going to accept the five premises. If I do this, do I now have to conclude that God exists as a necessary being?
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If you accept the five premises, you accept that there is a necessary being at the beginning of the causal chain (premisse 6). If you accept 6, 7 follows (that the necessary being is God).
In short, yes.
And I'm terribly sorry if I sound like an irate angry man sometimes, but I didn't want to but into this thread again, but I just "had" to respond to some people. You know how it goes.
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You are changing the argument.
I'll repost it.
"1) Everything is caused and everything that causes is caused itself (these are contingent beings and events, who can cause and are caused).
2) These events of cause and effect happen in a chain (one is caused and causes further).
3) We can follow this chain backwards in time, since in the future, it goes on for eternity.
4) To start the chain, in the beginning, there must be a necessary being. One that causes but is naut caused itself.
5) This necessary being is necessary since if the chain could not begin with a contingent being or event (since it cannot cause itself)
6) This necessary being is God."
Premise 6 is not that there is a necessary being. Premise 6 is that the necessary being is god.
So if you're changing the argument, does that mean you accept that it is not valid in the form that you originally presented? And how are you defining god in this argument?