I came in to lol at the concept of a "gay cake". There's gay cakes now? xD

Honestly, they shouldn't have said anything. Just order a wedding cake without the thingies on top. Done.

For the record though, baking isn't art.

Nem said: I came in to lol at the concept of a "gay cake". There's gay cakes now? xD Honestly, they shouldn't have said anything. Just order a wedding cake without the thingies on top. Done. For the record though, baking isn't art.

It is prove me wrong

Aeolus451 said: Teeqoz said: I wasn't there of course, but an article that someone linked to in this thread says that this was indeed the case. I quote from the article (my own emphasis): "Phillips’s attorneys pointed out that he even offered to provide other kinds of cakes, brownies, or cookies to Craig and Mullins — showing that the issue was not that the men are gay. But he did refuse all wedding cakes to the couple, including cakes that were made for other customers before and a “nondescript” cake " Again, I've seen things that say otherwise and I'm likely to believe them considering that this was overturned in supreme court. If he completely denied service, he would have lost.

It came out of the Vox article I linked early on in the thread.  The part I thought odd was cake and "nondescript" cake being two different things, then again I'm not a baker and perhaps Vox got that part wrong (although I kind of doubt it since i have also heard the baker also gave them options for other bakers).  It sounds like he was trying to be as nice as he could about refusing any kind of wedding cake but offering other things or telling them of other places to get what they wanted.

kirby007 said: Nem said: I came in to lol at the concept of a "gay cake". There's gay cakes now? xD Honestly, they shouldn't have said anything. Just order a wedding cake without the thingies on top. Done. For the record though, baking isn't art. It is prove me wrong

 

(proving wrong is a logical fallacy btw, so i struggled to even reply to you, but lets have a conversation) I don't recall eating paintings, books, movies and statues whose main purpose is to send a message/make a statement. Pastery is food more than it is any kind of statement. You eat it. Can have strawberries or it can have whipcream, can say hi or bye in jelly beans. It's ingredients. You eat them. It's like saying that making a recipe is literary art. If you want to call it art, cause theres a secret to making the recipe just right, so be it. But i do not consider it art in the same sense the other forms of art are. Last edited by Nem - on 06 June 2018

spurgeonryan said: Fucked up, but why should they? It's their business.

Same thoughts here. Don't worry, their business will suffer thanks to capitalism. 

Nem said: kirby007 said: It is prove me wrong   (proving wrong is a logical fallacy btw, so i struggled to even reply to you, but lets have a conversation) I don't recall eating paintings, books, movies and statues whose main purpose is to send a message/make a statement. Pastery is food more than it is any kind of statement. You eat it. Can have strawberries or it can have whipcream, can say hi or bye in jelly beans. It's ingredients. You eat them. It's like saying that making a recipe is literary art. If you want to call it art, cause theres a secret to making the recipe just right, so be it. But i do not consider it art in the same sense the other forms of art are.

And you sound like an idiot arguing whether Golf is a sport.

There is a difference to tossing a steak and some potatoes onto a plate versus taking those same steak and potatoes and creating a visually stunning plate of food. 

The same for cake. I can whip up a batch of brownies, but a baker could make a spectacle, or piece of art out of those brownies. 

What makes a painting art? To someone it may be something worth millions of dollars, to another its only worht burning it to stay warm. Is a photograph that a 2 year old took on her moms cell phone art? What makes that two year olds picture not art, yet pictures taken by photographers in an art gallery art?

 

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irstupid said: Nem said:   (proving wrong is a logical fallacy btw, so i struggled to even reply to you, but lets have a conversation) I don't recall eating paintings, books, movies and statues whose main purpose is to send a message/make a statement. Pastery is food more than it is any kind of statement. You eat it. Can have strawberries or it can have whipcream, can say hi or bye in jelly beans. It's ingredients. You eat them. It's like saying that making a recipe is literary art. If you want to call it art, cause theres a secret to making the recipe just right, so be it. But i do not consider it art in the same sense the other forms of art are. And you sound like an idiot arguing whether Golf is a sport. There is a difference to tossing a steak and some potatoes onto a plate versus taking those same steak and potatoes and creating a visually stunning plate of food.  The same for cake. I can whip up a batch of brownies, but a baker could make a spectacle, or piece of art out of those brownies.  What makes a painting art? To someone it may be something worth millions of dollars, to another its only worht burning it to stay warm. Is a photograph that a 2 year old took on her moms cell phone art? What makes that two year olds picture not art, yet pictures taken by photographers in an art gallery art?

 

Very well. Then about anything is art. I can make an 8 on the beach sand and it's art or if i put the potato on the left or right side of the plate, it's art despite tasting the same. I am sure there is something more to it, but if we want to trivialise it, then so be it. I like to think it's more than that, but we all have our opinions. Like, this guy isn't a plastic artist. He sells cakes for people to eat, he is a baker. Ridiculous, but ok. Last edited by Nem - on 06 June 2018

Nem said: irstupid said: And you sound like an idiot arguing whether Golf is a sport. There is a difference to tossing a steak and some potatoes onto a plate versus taking those same steak and potatoes and creating a visually stunning plate of food.  The same for cake. I can whip up a batch of brownies, but a baker could make a spectacle, or piece of art out of those brownies.  What makes a painting art? To someone it may be something worth millions of dollars, to another its only worht burning it to stay warm. Is a photograph that a 2 year old took on her moms cell phone art? What makes that two year olds picture not art, yet pictures taken by photographers in an art gallery art?   Very well. Then about anything is art. I can make an 8 on the beach sand and it's art or if i put the potato on the left or right side of the plate, it's art despite tasting the same. I am sure there is something more to it, but if we want to trivialise it, then so be it. I like to think it's more than that, but we all have our opinions. Like, this guy isn't a plastic artist. He sells cakes for people to eat, he is a baker. Ridiculous, but ok.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1356557/Worlds-oldest-wedding-cake-1898-survived-WW2-bomb-blast.html

So atheist bakers won't have to make Christian cakes either? This is flagrantly unconstitutional and an awful precedent to set.

Nem said: irstupid said: And you sound like an idiot arguing whether Golf is a sport. There is a difference to tossing a steak and some potatoes onto a plate versus taking those same steak and potatoes and creating a visually stunning plate of food.  The same for cake. I can whip up a batch of brownies, but a baker could make a spectacle, or piece of art out of those brownies.  What makes a painting art? To someone it may be something worth millions of dollars, to another its only worht burning it to stay warm. Is a photograph that a 2 year old took on her moms cell phone art? What makes that two year olds picture not art, yet pictures taken by photographers in an art gallery art?   Very well. Then about anything is art. I can make an 8 on the beach sand and it's art or if i put the potato on the left or right side of the plate, it's art despite tasting the same. I am sure there is something more to it, but if we want to trivialise it, then so be it. I like to think it's more than that, but we all have our opinions. Like, this guy isn't a plastic artist. He sells cakes for people to eat, he is a baker. Ridiculous, but ok.

Anything can be art. You or me drawing in the sand or making a sand castle would most definately not be art, but someone else doing it coudl very easily make it art. If it grafity a side of a building, it woudl jus tbe vandalism and crap. Someone else coudl make it art.

Majority of people making cakes, it is just a cake. But watch shows like cake boss or cake wars, or see some of the extravagant wedding cakes out there and they are works of art.