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superchunk on 13 April 2008
taxman said:
sc94597 said:
 

That just proves thatps3/360 fans are graphic whores.


If you really think that graphics don't matter at all then you should just stand outside your nearest electronics store and start preaching the power of the SD way of life and how it was better in the 1990s than it is now.

For me graphics is about immersion and getting into the story more. The cartooney graphics you find in 90% of Wii games do not cut it for me any more, it's called technological advancement and I don't see the reason why I should compromise anymore...


 Sure graphics are important and they do add to the game's immersion. However, I would argue that realistic graphics are not at the top of the list of must have's for the greater majority of people who play games. The PS1 almost consistantly had worse looking games as compared to N64. The PS2 almost consistently had worse looking games than the XB/GC. However, the PS's destroyed their competition and were the lead platform on almost every game.

I've seen the new rumored sceenshots of Gears2 and it looks amazing. But, as shown with Lair, the game has to play well in order to sell trully well. I mean, it got outsold by a far visually simplier game, Mario & Sonic. Great gameplay and cartoony graphics is by far more important that HD graphics and ok gameplay.



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sc94597 on 13 April 2008
Million said:
@sc49 , with the Wii's price point (and nintnendo profiting off the Wii) how advanced do you think the Wii could be ?

Even if the Wii achieved graphics 2X SMG at the end of it's lifespan , it would even tocuh Resistance 1.

 I would say about CoD 2(360) lvls at that resolution. Maybe even more if there were some downgrades. I'm not saying the wii is any close to the 360 or ps3 in terms of power. I'm saying it could produce graphics alot better than last gen consoles. 



selnor on 13 April 2008
sc94597 said:
Kyros said:
@HappySqurriel

you bring on Zelda screenshots and argue that they look much better than last-gen games? You know that Zelda is a Gamecube game that only has motion controls on the Wii? It looks almost exactly the same on Wii and on Gamecube if I am not mistaken (Wii has 16:9 or something). PErsonally I think the second to last GoW screenshot looks the best from all but perhaps that is so because I loved God of War2.
But in the end: Yes the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, than the Gamecube, probably even the XBOX. But it is much nearer to them (esp. the XBOX) than to the 360/PS3/actual gaming PCs. I look at your screenshots and I see some differences but hardly in the same league as when you compare them to the almost perfect Gran Turismo screenshot above. Do you agree?

That even proofs further that the wii is alot more advanced graphically than the ps2. I say the difference between the wii and ps2 is the exact same difference between the wii and hd consoles. This is first year wii graphics btw going against 6th year ps2 graphics , and it's still pulling superior. It takes about 2-3yrs to get the most out of a consoles graphics.

This comment is so funny. Your so far from the reality it's hard to take you seriously. The difference between Wii and HD consoles is far greater than Wii to PS2.  

 



sc94597 on 13 April 2008
selnor said:
sc94597 said:
Kyros said:
@HappySqurriel

you bring on Zelda screenshots and argue that they look much better than last-gen games? You know that Zelda is a Gamecube game that only has motion controls on the Wii? It looks almost exactly the same on Wii and on Gamecube if I am not mistaken (Wii has 16:9 or something). PErsonally I think the second to last GoW screenshot looks the best from all but perhaps that is so because I loved God of War2.
But in the end: Yes the Wii is more powerful than the PS2, than the Gamecube, probably even the XBOX. But it is much nearer to them (esp. the XBOX) than to the 360/PS3/actual gaming PCs. I look at your screenshots and I see some differences but hardly in the same league as when you compare them to the almost perfect Gran Turismo screenshot above. Do you agree?

That even proofs further that the wii is alot more advanced graphically than the ps2. I say the difference between the wii and ps2 is the exact same difference between the wii and hd consoles. This is first year wii graphics btw going against 6th year ps2 graphics , and it's still pulling superior. It takes about 2-3yrs to get the most out of a consoles graphics.

This comment is so funny. Your so far from the reality it's hard to take you seriously. The difference between Wii and HD consoles is far greater than Wii to PS2.

 


Back up your statement with things called details.



superchunk on 13 April 2008
taxman said:
 

I'm not a developer and can't really comment on the effot it takes to upconver these games, but i imagine the huge budgets of PS360 games are mostly due to the graphics and sound than anything else, so I imagine the effort should be needed...


 I'm sure your right. However, I said the games that are ported from Wii won't be as graphically intense as if they were built ground up from PS360 hardware, but they won't look like any of the current Wii games either.

The path I have outlined will greatly reduce the average multi-platform games total cost. Thus, have the best opportunity to return the highest profits. Profits are all 99% of these publishers care about. If not, we wouldn't see so much shovelware.



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HappySqurriel on 13 April 2008
Million said:
@HappySquirrel , I won't dispute that with you since I can't be bothered to compare screenshots , but generaly you can't deny that i'm infact correct.

You want a screenshot comparison:



taxman on 13 April 2008
sc94597 said:
taxman said:
sc94597 said:
taxman said:
superchunk said:
I have no idea what the lead platform for sonic is, but, I have said many many times that it is inevitable that the Wii will be the console where he greater majority of multi-platform games are developed, then ported to PS360.

I really can't wait for this to become the primary way all games are made as that will make the Wii games significantly better since they won't be based of off PS2 hardware.

PS360 won't be affected as much as so many of you think as they will still be better looking than their Wii counter parts as they would include many higher level graphics techs that the Wii can't do. Well, at least good developers would insure that is taken into consideration.

There is no way in a million years that a game that will want to sell at all on the PS360 will be developed for the Wii first and then ported. I can imagine, the amount of time to add the extra detail, effect, control schemes, online play, physics and superior sound, they might as well develop it from scratch.

If a game comes out that does not feature those improvements for the PS360 version compared to the Wii version, then it will be no match graphically to the other PS360 games and ulitmately fail in the sales department....


That just proves thatps3/360 fans are graphic whores.


If you really think that graphics don't matter at all then you should just stand outside your nearest electronics store and start preaching the power of the SD way of life and how it was better in the 1990s than it is now.

For me graphics is about immersion and getting into the story more. The cartooney graphics you find in 90% of Wii games do not cut it for me any more, it's called technological advancement and I don't see the reason why I should compromise anymore...


 I never said that graphics matter alot, but if a  game plays well are you not going to buy the game , because it has shitty wii graphics?


Not at all, if you see my profile you'll see that I only have a Wii yet. But the only games I could get into were Zelda, PES and Mario Kart, which are very addictive. Whereas on my PC which i built specifically for gaming I played Battlefield 2 and 2142 which were great graphically and gameplay wise 1 year ago.

My point is that my first impressions for a game are very much tied to graphics more (not completely)...

My next console will be a PS3 just for the superior graphics and to go with my new HDTV that hasn't see much HD content yet to justify the price I paid for it...



PSN ID: T_Gears

End of 2009 ltd sales:

Wii = 67-68m

X360 = 38-39m

PS3 = 34-35m

Prediction: The PS3 will surpass the 360 on weekly sales after it drops to $299 on all regular weeks (no big releases).

Million on 13 April 2008
sc94597 said:
Million said:
@sc49 , with the Wii's price point (and nintnendo profiting off the Wii) how advanced do you think the Wii could be ?

Even if the Wii achieved graphics 2X SMG at the end of it's lifespan , it would even tocuh Resistance 1.

I would say about CoD 2(360) lvls at that resolution. Maybe even more if there were some downgrades. I'm not saying the wii is any close to the 360 or ps3 in terms of power. I'm saying it could produce graphics alot better than last gen consoles.


 

 

@ how many FPS lol ?

 

Superchunck we're not talking about gameplay , or sales performance.




FJ-Warez on 13 April 2008
Million said:

@ FJ , I never said the PS2 version looked better , I said I didn't think those pics where very good representations of how superior the Wii is to the PS2 , I mean the graphical leap was neglible in those screenshots , honestly.

Forget all the technical crap , the Wii screenshots only looks slightly better than the GoW one.

 Let's look at the difference between the Wii and PS3/360 games currently.

 Uncharted is signifantly ahead of Super Mario Galaxy , the difference is imediatley noticable.

 That legend of zeld game compared to GoW I had to  look at all the lighting and shading effects for about 8 seconds to notice the improvment , the end result was in improvment but a neglible one.


 1) No is not, if you are not capable to notice the big gap that doesn't mean is not there...

2) Of course, the same goes for those screenshots but again, you are the one who can't see the difference, but its there...

3) Is not a LoZ game, is SSBB, both LoZ:TP and SMG starded their development in the GC, so far only SSBB and MK:Wii are probably the two Ninty games with more time with the Wii dev kits, and there is already a very noticiable gap, if it took you so long to notice, go a take a look at the RE:4 PS2 vs GC videos to notice the shortcommings of the PS2 vs the GC...



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sc94597 on 13 April 2008
Million said:
sc94597 said:
Million said:
@sc49 , with the Wii's price point (and nintnendo profiting off the Wii) how advanced do you think the Wii could be ?

Even if the Wii achieved graphics 2X SMG at the end of it's lifespan , it would even tocuh Resistance 1.

I would say about CoD 2(360) lvls at that resolution. Maybe even more if there were some downgrades. I'm not saying the wii is any close to the 360 or ps3 in terms of power. I'm saying it could produce graphics alot better than last gen consoles.


 

@ how many FPS lol ?

 

Superchunck we're not talking about gameplay , or sales performance.


 30 of course.