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Political/economic identification?

Socialist (Marxist variety) 1 2.38%
 
Socialist (non-Marxist variety) 4 9.52%
 
Social Democrat 20 47.62%
 
Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist 2 4.76%
 
Conservative 10 23.81%
 
Fascist 1 2.38%
 
Other 4 9.52%
 
Total:42

Not voting in the poll until it includes a Monarchist option.



 
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sc94597 said:
VGPolyglot said:

What?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bellamy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bellamy

"Francis Bellamy was a leader in the public education movement, the nationalist movement, and the Christian socialist movement. He united his grassroots network to start a collective memory activism in 1892."

"Bellamy's vision of a harmonious future world inspired the formation of at least 165 "Nationalist Clubs" dedicated to the propagation of Bellamy's political ideas and working to make them a practical reality"

Francis is responsible for the pledge of allegiance which incorporated the Roman salute. His cousin Edward was responsible for Nationalist clubs.

 

Before the nationalist movement most Americans were local-minded, communitarian, and individualistic. These socialists were nationalists because they thought the nation-state and nationalization were the best means to reform. 

That's strange, not sure why a socialist would want to uphold allegiance to the US and the republic considering that they are a capitalist-based institution. According to that article he was also apparently anti-immigration for racial reasons.

Last edited by VGPolyglot - on 09 February 2018

VGPolyglot said:

That's strange, not sure why a socialist would want to uphold allegiance to the US and the republic considering that they are a capitalist-based institution. According to that article he was also apparently anti-immigration for racial reasons.

In some sense they might've internalized Marx's call for the proletariat to take control over the political institutions, without his call for internationalism. 

Still the main reason kids in the U.S were forced to do this crap, was because of them and their nationalism: 

There is a reason why nationalists recruit among state socialists. At one point even the Nazi party had legitimate socialists in it (before the Night of the Long Knives.) 



I said Social Democrat.

For a more global reference, I'd align with moderate USA Republicans like Collins.



As this is pool relates to economic views I would say for now a Social Democrat as I believe a social state is an absolute necessity since I want a safety net in place for all the "non winners" in the capitalist game. All while recognizing (regulated) capitalism as the best system at this point in time.



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setsunatenshi said:
As this is pool relates to economic views I would say for now a Social Democrat as I believe a social state is an absolute necessity since I want a safety net in place for all the "non winners" in the capitalist game. All while recognizing (regulated) capitalism as the best system at this point in time.

I related the economy to it as I believe that the economy and politics are indivisible, as the primary goal of politics is economic management.



Free market capitalist with socialist democratic aspects. This is what most of the developed world is today so my views are largely a product of my environment.



VGPolyglot said:
palou said:
I hate political identifications - does that count as an ideology?

No. In any case, why is that so? You're generally not going to make any progress on your own.

I think every issue should be viewed and discussed independently. Classifying yourself, or others, is only a temptation to make unjustified conclusions based on those classifications, and to subconsciously classify participants in the debate as allies or foes.

 

Yes, I'm not going to go very far, alone. Which is why I believe that we should consider *everyone* our allies in resolving political issues. The goal should not be to garner a victory for you "side", but rather to collectively improve our understanding of an issue, with the incite that every *individual* can provide. 



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palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

No. In any case, why is that so? You're generally not going to make any progress on your own.

I think every issue should be viewed and discussed independently. Classifying yourself, or others, is only a temptation to make unjustified conclusions based on those classifications, and to subconsciously classify participants in the debate as allies or foes.

 

Yes, I'm not going to go very far, alone. Which is why I believe that we should consider *everyone* our allies in resolving political issues. The goal should not be to garner a victory for you "side", but rather to collectively improve our understanding of an issue, with the incite that every *individual* can provide. 

It makes sense for people to be classified as foes if their goals are different from mine. I'm not going to count a neo-Nazi as in ally, and rather than garnering a victory for my side, we can see what a loss would be if white supremacists gain more power.



VGPolyglot said:
palou said:

I think every issue should be viewed and discussed independently. Classifying yourself, or others, is only a temptation to make unjustified conclusions based on those classifications, and to subconsciously classify participants in the debate as allies or foes.

 

Yes, I'm not going to go very far, alone. Which is why I believe that we should consider *everyone* our allies in resolving political issues. The goal should not be to garner a victory for you "side", but rather to collectively improve our understanding of an issue, with the incite that every *individual* can provide. 

It makes sense for people to be classified as foes if their goals are different from mine. I'm not going to count a neo-Nazi as in ally, and rather than garnering a victory for my side, we can see what a loss would be if white supremacists gain more power.

I really don't think identifying clear foes helps in any manner. Even if they hold dangerous views.

 

If you disagree strongly with something specific, argue against it, say why, exactly, you consider the position dangerous.

 

Don't dismiss the person, as a whole.

 

Just because someone holds a bad viewpoint on one topic, does not mean that their viewpoint cannot be changed, or that their opinion on other issues is necessarily without value.



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