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SpartanFX said:
 

I don't understand what starcraft is arguing about,,,Million you are compeletly right,,,,Ofcousre PS3 is more value ,,Sony spends $900 manufacturing PS3 and sells it for 500,,,whereas nintendo is making profit by selling Wii at 249,so go figure which has more value,,,,By knowing Starcraft he is gonna say 360


Sony markets the PS3 as a gaming console.  From a pure gaming perspective, does the Wii or the PS3 hold more 'value?'

Clearly, with a wider range of games and more AAA titles, it is the Wii. 



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Million said:
 

Your totaly right on your first point , value is totaly subjective but i'm refering to "value on paper" in atempt to measure it's value objectivley. Personaly i'd feel more comofrtable paying £300 for a PS3 than I would paying £300 for a Wii but that's just me.

You'd be correct on your second point if the Wii and the PS3 where the same price , despite the PS3 being better value for money it doesn't stop it being expensive . To put it simply Organic food is probably better value for money than chemicaly grown produce however it's high price point means it'll still get outsold by chemicaly grown food because most people don't have the money to pay thatm much.

 

You can measure price objectively, but you cannot measure value objectively.  Clearly, more people see the Wii as good value than people see the PS3 as good value.  No PS3 price drop or game release has slowed Wii sales, so it's obvious no people that own, or wish to own, a Wii are being swayed by price.  From a gaming perspective, they just see the Wii as better value than a PS3.

 



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SpartanFX said:
lol,,every post that Starcraft creates or walks into goes sooooooo offf topic that it's hard to remember the OT.

The reason is simple ,,He always has anti PS3 masseges hidden in his comments (mostly unture and half assed)and people can't take it,,,,

Starcraft stop being such a "CIVILIZED" troll ,,,MS is one of the most hated comapnies in the world ,,,so you might end up having a hard life


I've been studying MS fairly non-stop for most of the year at university.  The anti-trusts, the software bundling, the glitches, the anti-competitive behaviour.  Belief me, I have no broad love for Microsoft.  But none of this automatically makes the 360 a poor gaming device as you seem to believe.

In fact, when competiting in an open, competitive market like the console market, Microsoft's vast resources garnered in other industries (with or without unscroupulous tactics) actually represent a massive asset. 



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I find it ironic you are all accusing starcraft for being such a big fanboy. starcraft never really trolls, at least what I have seen from him. He sometimes just a little bit to positive to the 360 sales. But then your are all calling him a fanboy, because there not many 360 supporters on this site and you just take him in numbers. We need more 360 supporters.



SleepWaking said:
I find it ironic you are all accusing starcraft for being such a big fanboy. starcraft never really trolls, at least what I have seen from him. He sometimes just a little bit to positive to the 360 sales. But then your are all calling him a fanboy, because there not many 360 supporters on this site and you just take him in numbers. We need more 360 supporters.

It is wonderful to see someone oppose the ganging up that goes on with Sony fans on this site.  It is ridiculous how sacred they see the PS3 as.

I never attack any console without reasonably explaining why.  I don't expect people to agree, but I do expect them to either ignore my remarks, or respond with some sort of logic and dignity, rather than simply hiding their insecurities by screaming FANBOY or TROLL. 

 



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starcraft said:
SpartanFX said:
 

I don't understand what starcraft is arguing about,,,Million you are compeletly right,,,,Ofcousre PS3 is more value ,,Sony spends $900 manufacturing PS3 and sells it for 500,,,whereas nintendo is making profit by selling Wii at 249,so go figure which has more value,,,,By knowing Starcraft he is gonna say 360


Sony markets the PS3 as a gaming console. From a pure gaming perspective, does the Wii or the PS3 hold more 'value?'

Clearly, with a wider range of games and more AAA titles, it is the Wii.


 Lol I love the way you change your questions to force the answers you desire (true fanboy). Sony markets the ps3 as a media device this isn't only evident through their advertising(Duh!) but through the ps3's functionality.

 

"From a pure gaming perspective" that made me lol , the PS3 is more than a gaming device but if we're gonna answer from a pure gaming perspective it's realy down the the individual , Out of all the Wii games only SSBB apeals to me apart from that the PS3's line-up is much better in my opinion. All that "AAA" stuff is garbage like you said value can't be measured objectivley stop contradicting yourself. 




@ SpartanFX

Hes right about the loan. It was a $50 million loan, that basically preorders $50 million dollars worth of dlc. If owners spend over $50 million on te dlc, then microsoft get it all back.
So basically microsoft get all the money from dlc from the first $50 million. Then after that i suppose some money goes to rockstar and some to microsoft? Not too sure about that.

I dont have a link sorry, but thats what everyones been telling me.



Starcraft always does a lot or PR work for 360 on here. It would not surprise me if starcraft works for Microsoft.
The bundles of 360 consoles with GTA 4 will do ok in the UK and around the world. But PS3 hardware will still outsell the 360 hardware no matter what.



starcraft said:
Million said:
 

Your totaly right on your first point , value is totaly subjective but i'm refering to "value on paper" in atempt to measure it's value objectivley. Personaly i'd feel more comofrtable paying £300 for a PS3 than I would paying £300 for a Wii but that's just me.

You'd be correct on your second point if the Wii and the PS3 where the same price , despite the PS3 being better value for money it doesn't stop it being expensive . To put it simply Organic food is probably better value for money than chemicaly grown produce however it's high price point means it'll still get outsold by chemicaly grown food because most people don't have the money to pay thatm much.

 

You can measure price objectively, but you cannot measure value objectively. Clearly, more people see the Wii as good value than people see the PS3 as good value. No PS3 price drop or game release has slowed Wii sales, so it's obvious no people that own, or wish to own, a Wii are being swayed by price. From a gaming perspective, they just see the Wii as better value than a PS3.

 

I said an "atempt" to measure value objectivley , I just listed what the console was capable of and since it could more usefull things than the Wii , it would be more objective to say the PS3 was better vale for money than the Wii.

I woudln't expect a PS3 price drop or game to affect the Wii , I woudln't even expect GTA IV to impact the Wii too much(for obvious reasons). But equaly a Wii price drop or software release wouldn't damage PS3 sales.

the consumer sees Wii as better value ? are you basing this purely on hardware sales or have you dome some kinda entensive market research to proove this or what ?. Like I said the PS3 is better value for money but it looses on it's high price point. 

 




In my opinion at the same price point the PS3 is the best value by far. Wii is slightly ahead of the 360 just because of the hardware issues of the 360. All three consoles PS3, Wii and 360 are good consoles in their own way.