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Xeno said:
Username2324 said:
If you had read my posts, you'd have answered my question. Have you ever watched a movie in full 1080p with TrueHD surround sound? My guess is no, if you had you'd realize how much more exciting and enjoyable movies can be.

Fast-paced movies will blow you away like DVD never could, the music in romances will touch your heart. The visuals of animated films will stun you. The details will amaze you.

Like I have said MANY times now, if you don't know about it or have never experienced it DO NOT TALK TRASH ABOUT IT!


Damn, I'm reduced to quoting myself. If you look up, you'll read this post:

"I have a few friends who have adopted an HD television (720p). It looks nice, but it isn't as significant an improvement as VHS to DVD was. Being a digital satellite subscriber -- as well as an owner of an analogue antenna (for some local channels) -- I can notice a nice improvement of digital over analogue. I think my TV has 540 lines of resolution (enhanced definition), and -- to tell you the truth --720p is not that much nicer. If you go to your local Best Buy or Circuit City, they tend to have rooms where you can sit down for as long as you want and watch a movie in 1080p with a state-of-the-art audio system. Again, it's enjoyable, but I just don't see it as enough reason to replace my DVD player (which plays DIVX, MP4, and many other formats) with a Blue Ray player. I have an Avel DVD player, and I can actually stream movies from computer to my TV, via the DVD player. The quality is great."

 

So, yes, I've seen HD (both 720p and 1080p). It's not as life-changing as you make it.


 Have you seen a Blu-Ray on a properly set up 1080P HDTV (and no, the ones in BB and CC are usually crap)?

In general Blu-Ray is far superior to 1080i broadcasts.  Of course, you have your dud Blu-Rays like Dracula, but by and large they look stunning, particularly newer releases like Pirates of the Caribbean, and many older releases like the Fifth Element. 



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Well, 720p is superior to 1080i. When things are moving fast, you can't beat progressive. Still, I don't think that it's a major selling point over an enhanced progressive dvd.



If you take it in steps, it obviously won't be much of a difference. 540p isn't much better than 480p. 720p isn't much better than 540p. 720p to 1080p is a much bigger difference than any of those listed yet, but depending on the TV size and how close you sit, it could still mean little.

480i > 1080p, however, is a very big gap, and it's the jump most people will be making.

And here's a good comparison of some 480p to 1080p goodness, though it's not quite the same as on a nice TV from 8 feet away.

http://xylon.haloapplications.com/bluray/kingdomofheaven/04/



makingmusic476 said:
If you take it in steps, it obviously won't be much of a difference. 540p isn't much better than 480p. 720p isn't much better than 540p. 720p to 1080p is a much bigger difference than any of those listed yet, but depending on the TV size and how close you sit, it could still mean little.

480i > 1080p, however, is a very big gap, and it's the jump most people will be making.

And here's a good comparison of some 480p to 1080p goodness, though it's not quite the same as on a nice TV from 8 feet away.

http://xylon.haloapplications.com/bluray/kingdomofheaven/04/

 That's a very nice post. However, I think that, even from five feet, if you don't have 20/20 vision -- for example, if you have 20/30 -- it's not that compelling. 



Xeno said:
makingmusic476 said:
If you take it in steps, it obviously won't be much of a difference. 540p isn't much better than 480p. 720p isn't much better than 540p. 720p to 1080p is a much bigger difference than any of those listed yet, but depending on the TV size and how close you sit, it could still mean little.

480i > 1080p, however, is a very big gap, and it's the jump most people will be making.

And here's a good comparison of some 480p to 1080p goodness, though it's not quite the same as on a nice TV from 8 feet away.

http://xylon.haloapplications.com/bluray/kingdomofheaven/04/

That's a very nice post. However, I think that, even from five feet, if you don't have 20/20 vision -- for example, if you have 20/30 -- it's not that compelling.


Well, I'm sure more people will find it compelling than those that found SACD compelling. :P

And as prices fall, it won't be as troublesome for people to adopt. DVDs cost around $40 when they first came out, much like Blu-Rays cost last year. Look at DVDs now.

Tbh, I think that manufacturers will force adoption of Blu-Ray over time. As manufacturing costs fall, eventually they will make Blu-Ray playback standard in all DVD players to cut back on the number of SKUs they have to deal with, and then they'll essentially be forcing people to upgrade as their old players die. It's kind've like HDTVs. Soon you won't be able to find SDTVs anymore simply because manufacturers don't feel like making them any longer. This is one advantage that Blu-Ray holds over DVD that DVD never had over VHS - backwards compatibility. A Blu-Ray player can do anything a DVD player can do.

Really, at this point in time price is the only factor keeping people from buying Blu-Ray players instead of DVD players. As prices drop and CEs begin to push Blu-Ray players in full force, they'll slowly gain in marketshare, and once they hit 80% or so studios will stop producing DVDs, much like they stopped producing VHS tapes when DVD reached a similar penetration level.

In the end, Blu-Ray will take over the hard disc media market entirely. Of course, the market may be much smaller at that point due to DD, but it will happen nontheless.



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Xeno said:
Well, 720p is superior to 1080i. When things are moving fast, you can't beat progressive. Still, I don't think that it's a major selling point over an enhanced progressive dvd
 

 Listen Xeno, we all know you only created your account to troll Blu-ray, so just leave, chances are you havent actually experienced Blu-ray in all its glory, Best Buy doesnt count, Walmart doesnt count, Circuit City doesnt count, your friends 720p tv doesnt count (Even though personally I can notice a massive difference between DVD and blu-ray even on 720p), your crappy compressed Dish HD doesnt count either. You have never experience Blu-ray so dont talk about it!



Username2324 said:
Xeno said:
Well, 720p is superior to 1080i. When things are moving fast, you can't beat progressive. Still, I don't think that it's a major selling point over an enhanced progressive dvd

Listen Xeno, we all know you only created your account to troll Blu-ray, so just leave, chances are you havent actually experienced Blu-ray in all its glory, Best Buy doesnt count, Walmart doesnt count, Circuit City doesnt count, your friends 720p tv doesnt count (Even though personally I can notice a massive difference between DVD and blu-ray even on 720p), your crappy compressed Dish HD doesnt count either. You have never experience Blu-ray so dont talk about it!


 I think we get it. You love Sony, and you've invested a lot of money on a high level Sony PS3. I bet a lot of people were pissed when they spent 600 dollars on a nice Beta. I can appreciate your anger. However, I hope you bought your PS3 for gaming and not for Blue Ray. I have strong doubts about Blue Ray dominating.



Do I love Sony, no, they have done a lot of stupid things, including things with the PS3, I just hate when people rag on them WHEN THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I bought my PS3 for both, I'm a bit of a video and audiophile, so naturally I got the console that fit my needs.

However, I like how you casually walked away from the topic and into insulting me. My question is, whats your original account? Are you Leo-j, except this time acting like you hate Sony? Or someone else?

So please, just leave and don't come back unless you actually have information on the topic you wish to discuss.



Username2324 said:
Do I love Sony, no, they have done a lot of stupid things, including things with the PS3, I just hate when people rag on them WHEN THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I bought my PS3 for both, I'm a bit of a video and audiophile, so naturally I got the console that fit my needs.

However, I like how you casually walked away from the topic and into insulting me. My question is, whats your original account? Are you Leo-j, except this time acting like you hate Sony? Or someone else?

So please, just leave and don't come back unless you actually have information on the topic you wish to discuss.

 This is my first account, and stop being so quick to bleed. Nobody insulted you. If you scroll up and read all the text exchanges, you will see that you are the one that turned this topic into a personal attack by calling me a Microsoft fanboy. I make no money if Microsoft dominates, nor will I make money if Sony succeeds. I'm just not completely convinced that Blue Ray will provide a viable avenue of profit for Sony.



Xeno said:
Username2324 said:
Do I love Sony, no, they have done a lot of stupid things, including things with the PS3, I just hate when people rag on them WHEN THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

I bought my PS3 for both, I'm a bit of a video and audiophile, so naturally I got the console that fit my needs.

However, I like how you casually walked away from the topic and into insulting me. My question is, whats your original account? Are you Leo-j, except this time acting like you hate Sony? Or someone else?

So please, just leave and don't come back unless you actually have information on the topic you wish to discuss.

This is my first account, and stop being so quick to bleed. Nobody insulted you. If you scroll up and read all the text exchanges, you will see that you are the one that turned this topic into a personal attack by calling me a Microsoft fanboy. I make no money if Microsoft dominates, nor will I make money if Sony succeeds. I'm just not completely convinced that Blue Ray will provide a viable avenue of profit for Sony.


 I think the money is going to start going to download and in 6-9 years will be bigger then discs. But sony should have a little run with blu-ray. And just ignore Username2334 he gets a little edgy sometimes.



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