By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Where is Microsoft headed from here on out?

 

Where do you think Microsoft will focus on?

PC 62 54.87%
 
Xbox 14 12.39%
 
Equal focus on both 37 32.74%
 
Total:113
AngryLittleAlchemist on 28 November 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
Alkibiádēs said:

If you have no arguments it's better to just say nothing. 

Besides, if the Switch really was a tablet it would be a pretty shitty one considering it has no internet browser, streaming apps (besides Hulu in the USA), social media apps, youtube app, music streaming apps, etc. 

It's a dedicated hybrid console, the only one of its kind. 

And now the creme de la creme. It's not a tablet because it doesn't run iOS or Android. UGGGGGGH. I mean, what if it got homebrewed to? And yes, you're making the Switch worse than it is, defeating the purpose of the conversation

*moonwalks in*

To be fair RJ, this is really more of an interesting debate over what counts as innovation rather than a simple Alkibiades is right or wong. 

Yes, there is nothing unique about the Switch hardware. But it's place in the industry is very unique. And you got to understand, just pointing out flimsy third party peripherals or a "dock" for tablets is not really a good point. At all. You're talking too much about the theoretical, non-contextual value of hardware and hardware upgrades over the Switch. The Switch is a streamlined experience, and streamlining does not inherently make something less innovative. 

That being said, you are correct in that from a pure hardware perspective there is nothing unique about the Switch when compared to tablets, (well ... except for the fact that you're getting multiple functions all in one tablet? You know instead of buying a third party controller option for a huge tablet? lol ... seems like something odd to leave out). This means that you are correct and Alk is wrong. I guess it really depends on if you consider context as "spinning" something to make it seem more innovative than it is or not.



Around the Network
Wyrdness on 28 November 2017

The lack of vision is a potential downfall for MS because it impacts what direction their platforms will go and right now I can't think of anything outside of Crackdown that's left to push the X1 and this could have a knock on effect if the is no stable direction set for their platforms, if you have no direction you'll struggle to attract consumers. The entire first party offering for MS has gone backwards while their competitors have have pulled further ahead in that department and their habit of contracting third parties to develop exclusive content has shown this gen to have been disastrous with the amount of cancellations.

They need to start by going back to the drawing board and rebuild their first party teams.



RJ_Sizzle on 28 November 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

And now the creme de la creme. It's not a tablet because it doesn't run iOS or Android. UGGGGGGH. I mean, what if it got homebrewed to? And yes, you're making the Switch worse than it is, defeating the purpose of the conversation

*moonwalks in*

To be fair RJ, this is really more of an interesting debate over what counts as innovation rather than a simple Alkibiades is right or wong. 

Yes, there is nothing unique about the Switch hardware. But it's place in the industry is very unique. And you got to understand, just pointing out flimsy third party peripherals or a "dock" for tablets is not really a good point. At all. You're talking too much about the theoretical, non-contextual value of hardware and hardware upgrades over the Switch. The Switch is a streamlined experience, and streamlining does not inherently make something less innovative. 

That being said, you are correct in that from a pure hardware perspective there is nothing unique about the Switch when compared to tablets, (well ... except for the fact that you're getting multiple functions all in one tablet? You know instead of buying a third party controller option for a huge tablet? lol ... seems like something odd to leave out). This means that you are correct and Alk is wrong. I guess it really depends on if you consider context as "spinning" something to make it seem more innovative than it is or not.

That's pretty much all I saying. Nothing about the Switch is new, it's just a streamlined package that works. Pretty much any company that wanted to could make a similar dedicated tablet device with console stuffings could do the same thing. Also, being Nintendo helps the appeal a lot. Being made by an actual platform holder as opposed to an OS maker changes the focus of the device. It's a tablet device with a devoted gaming purpose. I'm not sure why that was worth being so defensive about.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 28 November 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

*moonwalks in*

To be fair RJ, this is really more of an interesting debate over what counts as innovation rather than a simple Alkibiades is right or wong. 

Yes, there is nothing unique about the Switch hardware. But it's place in the industry is very unique. And you got to understand, just pointing out flimsy third party peripherals or a "dock" for tablets is not really a good point. At all. You're talking too much about the theoretical, non-contextual value of hardware and hardware upgrades over the Switch. The Switch is a streamlined experience, and streamlining does not inherently make something less innovative. 

That being said, you are correct in that from a pure hardware perspective there is nothing unique about the Switch when compared to tablets, (well ... except for the fact that you're getting multiple functions all in one tablet? You know instead of buying a third party controller option for a huge tablet? lol ... seems like something odd to leave out). This means that you are correct and Alk is wrong. I guess it really depends on if you consider context as "spinning" something to make it seem more innovative than it is or not.

That's pretty much all I saying. Nothing about the Switch is new, it's just a streamlined package that works. Pretty much any company that wanted to could make a similar dedicated tablet device with console stuffings could do the same thing. Also, being Nintendo helps the appeal a lot. Being made by an actual platform holder as opposed to an OS maker changes the focus of the device. It's a tablet device with a devoted gaming purpose. I'm not sure why that was worth being so defensive about.

Well I can agree with that. And I'm not trying to be defensive



RJ_Sizzle on 28 November 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

That's pretty much all I saying. Nothing about the Switch is new, it's just a streamlined package that works. Pretty much any company that wanted to could make a similar dedicated tablet device with console stuffings could do the same thing. Also, being Nintendo helps the appeal a lot. Being made by an actual platform holder as opposed to an OS maker changes the focus of the device. It's a tablet device with a devoted gaming purpose. I'm not sure why that was worth being so defensive about.

Well I can agree with that. And I'm not trying to be defensive

Haha. I didn't mean you. I meant Alki. I was just pointing something out, I didn't think it would be controversial to him.



Around the Network
d21lewis on 28 November 2017

Anyway, back on topic:

I think the next XB will launch in a few years. We've reached the point where even 7th gen games still look good on their original hardware and it took almost a decade for their successors to arrive. M$ will be happy stretching this generation out for another few years (as should Sony). The Xbox One X should be capable enough for a while if the original hardware fails to satisfy.

--At this point, I'd like to point out that I have an Xbox One X/PS4 Pro on a 4K TV and I still feel like I'm not missing anything when I game on the standard consoles on my 1080p TVs--

When the time comes, M$ will release new hardware with new features that can still run the Xbox One library in addition to "next gen" software.



d21lewis on 28 November 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

*moonwalks in*

To be fair RJ, this is really more of an interesting debate over what counts as innovation rather than a simple Alkibiades is right or wong. 

Yes, there is nothing unique about the Switch hardware. But it's place in the industry is very unique. And you got to understand, just pointing out flimsy third party peripherals or a "dock" for tablets is not really a good point. At all. You're talking too much about the theoretical, non-contextual value of hardware and hardware upgrades over the Switch. The Switch is a streamlined experience, and streamlining does not inherently make something less innovative. 

That being said, you are correct in that from a pure hardware perspective there is nothing unique about the Switch when compared to tablets, (well ... except for the fact that you're getting multiple functions all in one tablet? You know instead of buying a third party controller option for a huge tablet? lol ... seems like something odd to leave out). This means that you are correct and Alk is wrong. I guess it really depends on if you consider context as "spinning" something to make it seem more innovative than it is or not.

That's pretty much all I saying. Nothing about the Switch is new, it's just a streamlined package that works. Pretty much any company that wanted to could make a similar dedicated tablet device with console stuffings could do the same thing. Also, being Nintendo helps the appeal a lot. Being made by an actual platform holder as opposed to an OS maker changes the focus of the device. It's a tablet device with a devoted gaming purpose. I'm not sure why that was worth being so defensive about.

I'd just like to say I enjoyed the debate between you two. The "supreme leader" line made me laugh my ass off!



AngryLittleAlchemist on 28 November 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Well I can agree with that. And I'm not trying to be defensive

Haha. I didn't mean you. I meant Alki. I was just pointing something out, I didn't think it would be controversial to him.

I thought you wrote a funny comment in your convo with Alki where you said something like "You're right. I guess Nintendo ..." and went on to parody how innovative and great and unique they were? Can't find the comment now

All I can say, and I mean no offense to Alki but, there's always going to be that one guy that plays up every thing one company does or downplays everything one company does. It's nothing that should be taken too seriously. People just like companies. Not a bad perspective per say but one that's frustrating to argue with.



reviniente on 28 November 2017
Intrinsic said:

i couldn't disagree more. like if you really think about it, the fate of the XBox brand right now is no longer in the hands of MS if they plan on still selling dedicated gaming hardware.

As I said in my initial post, this is flat out the worst gen for MS to drop the ball. off the top of my head here are a few reasons. 

 

  1. next gen we won't see remasters of current gen games. What we will have is hardware that are so much more powerful that they can brute Force everything (current gen games) to 4k Rez with better frame rates. instantly extending the value of any preexisting library. Hell.... being able to play all ur current gen games at higher Rez and framerates will be enough to make a some people upgrade just as we see now with the pro and X.
  2. if they launch day and date with the PS5 (or at least in the same window) then both consoles will be similar on the performance front. more on this in (3)
  3. the games. MS simply doesn't have them. Sony has spent the past 3 console generations acquiring studios. acquiring talent to make games. And Sony allows this talent artistic freedom to make whatever they want. this ain't something MS can just muster up in 3yrs. it took Sony almost 20yrs to get there. 
so if the consoles are priced the same, have the same hardware... the only thing that can differentiate them are the games. and that's something Sony has in spades. but even worse..... what reason would anyone have to leave the PS brand when all their games are playable and look better on the PS5. When all their favorite games will be getting new "exclusive" entries on the PS5. 
Take me for instance. and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I went all digital this gen. and even if you didn't, why leave the PS library and switch to the XB? why would anyone do that right now? what is the Xbox's Trump card gonna be? 
This was the gen for MS to build on what they did with the 360. They didn't. And now I fear the race isn't theirs to win anymore. it's Sony's to lose. And make no mistake, with how successful the PS4 has been for Sony, they will push to make as powerful a console as they can make... especially when considering the PS4pro and XB1X embarrassment, and even if it means them selling it at a $100 loss just to provenance the Next Xbox. that's what they will do. 

 

Instead of making people buy games they already own, right?

XB1X embarrassment? No, no, no. Find your way to Youtube, and visit the Digital Foundry channel. Then you will understand who is being embarrassed.

Last edited by reviniente - on 28 November 2017

reviniente on 28 November 2017
ResidentToxy said:
d21lewis said:

https://youtu.be/zbuTfEQflI0

My list would be

-Built in HDD (Xbox)

-Achievements/trophies (Xbox 360)

-online profile (Xbox 360)

-Streaming video on consoles (Xbox 360)

-Downloadable game library (Xbox 360)

-cloud storage (Xbox 360)

-Broadband gaming (Xbox)

I'm sure some (if not most) of these were on PC, though. I'm not a PC gamer so I don't know.

Let us assume that all these things were introduced by the Xbox brand, what one can take away from this is the fact that the Xbox One has failed to bring anything new to gaming or the legacy of Xbox.

Focusing on PC would be the best thing for Microsoft at this point. It just seems like they are saving face at this point.

Let's not. Those innovations were introduced by Xbox, and the question that was formulated, pondered what its legacy was. It's not possible to have a constructive discussion if we're being disingenuous.