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Does marketing harm good games?

Yes 4 66.67%
 
No 0 0%
 
Look, I don't care 2 33.33%
 
Total:6

Marketing the life blood of AAA gaming; do we, want this?

Recently we have seen the massive success of Destiny 2, the follow up to the sales monster that was Destiny.
Which as we all know was clearly be best new IP of the generation, right.
Do we as enthusiast gamers have the responsibility to guide casual gamers towards better games?

BotW, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Nier: Automata and Bayonetta are all better games than Destiny 2, the usual Ubisoft sludge and Activison's yearly vomit.
My question is should we the enthusiasts be pushing the better games onto the people who buy these soulless games.
Or will marketing remain king forever.

We have seen, recently an uprising of the enthusiast market; not in the gaming scene, but still interesting none the less.
AMD CPUs are doing, really well right now.
Despite Intel having an eclipsing marketing budget.
I know, I personally have sold someone else an R5 1600 as an enthusiast.

My question to you is, can we see games go through the same thing; can the gold float to the top of the tar?



For now, I will need to do my marketing:
Please check out my "Decaff with Anime, Club" thread.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=231603



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caffeinade said:

Marketing the life blood of AAA gaming, do we want this?

Depends on what you mean by 'we' but it would seem that the market certainly does ... 

caffeinade said:

Do we as enthusiast gamers have the responsibility to guide casual gamers towards better games?

That's like asking if we also want higher powers to moderate ourselves and only ourselves personally on what content to consume ... 

caffeinade said:

My question is should we the enthusiasts be pushing the better games onto the people who buy these souless games.

Or will marketing remain king forever.

This is known as the appeal to authority fallacy ... 

caffeinade said:

We have seen, recently an uprising of the enthusiast market; not in the gaming scene, but still interesting none the less.

AMD CPUs are doing, really well right now.
Despite Intel having an eclipsing marketing budget.
I know, I personally have sold someone else an R5 1600 as an enthusiast.

My question to you is, can we see games go through the same thing; can the gold float to the top of the tar?

That depends on the consumers criteria ... 



Destiny 2 has seen a dramatic decrease in sales numbers (even though it has sold a lot of units). People are angry with Activision with all that hype and dissapointment from the first one, so they talked with their wallets. It's just that, even if the game ends up selling half the amount of the original, it would still be a hit.

Also, I would buy NieR Automata, but it has Denuvo, so nope. Good games can lose a sale if they fuck up, too.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

Come join The 2018 Obscure Game Monthly Review Thread.

Darwinianevolution said:

Destiny 2 has seen a dramatic decrease in sales numbers (even though it has sold a lot of units). People are angry with Activision with all that hype and dissapointment from the first one, so they talked with their wallets. It's just that, even if the game ends up selling half the amount of the original, it would still be a hit.

Also, I would buy NieR Automata, but it has Denuvo, so nope. Good games can lose a sale if they fuck up, too.

Destiny 2 is launching on a smaller install base.
The first one came out on the PS3 and Xbox 360, putting the install base at around 200 million.
Destiny 2 only has about 90 million to work with, until PC comes into the mix.

NieR: Automata has done very well, and is a good example of a good game rising to the top, though, clearly not the top of the charts.

People are not blinded by marketing completely, they are still human.
But a lot of people don't have time to pay attention to what games are good, only what is in front of them.
That, is the stuff that is marketed extensively.



The only responsibility of enthusiasts is to buy the games we hype up, as well as make your voice heard with surveys and whatnot.



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Well, whether or not a game is good is entirely subjective. But aside from that, it takes a long time for most non-enthusiasts to recognize a brilliant game for what it is. The things that enthusiasts value in games are a result of having played so many games. Casuals need to be pushed outside of their comfort zone. Most adult gamers wouldn't touch Mario with a ten foot pole because according to them it's a kids franchise. And even if you get them to play it they still won't like it, because they "don't like" platformers. It isn't until they finally finish a good Mario game, sit on it for a few months, and then suddenly realize on their own how good it was. But most casuals will never get that far.

Anyway, most people just aren't patient or open enough to give good games an honest try. And if they are chances are they're already an enthusiast. So don't bother.



By enthusiast do you mean hipster.



arcaneguyver said:
The only responsibility of enthusiasts is to buy the games we hype up, as well as make your voice heard with surveys and whatnot.

Yep. Just buy more games. We are 5% of the gaming market, but spend several times more money than the average customer. 



Crocodile said:
By enthusiast do you mean hipster.

Some days.



Part of the reason why shooters like CoD sell so well is because they are friendly to casuals. A lot of people don't have time to devote to a game, but they want to play with friends. CoD, and Madden fullfill that role.