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Miyamotoo on 31 May 2017
SkyerIst_Huiesos said:
Miyamotoo said:

Around 80% Switch owners bought Zelda BotW, for instance around 25% PS4 owners bought GTA V, how exactly I am funny!?

by saying that gta V is more popular than zelda, which is false

Again, Zelda BotW is more popular on Switch than GTA V is on PS4, and clear facts proved that, around 80% Switch owners bought Zelda BotW, for instance around 25% PS4 owners bought GTA V.

 

Kerotan said:
Uncharted, the last of us, Gran Turismo and God of war. That's 4 mega first party titles that people buy Sony consoles for. You can add Horizon to the list now. 

Just because third parties do megaton numbers doesn't mean many millions don't buy a ps for first party. 

When all is said and done more will have bought a PS4 for first party then the WiiU had. And that was that consoles main appeal.

And there will also new big 3rd party games for which will buy PS4.

Some people definitely buying PS4 for 1st party games, but it's obvious that majority is buying them for 3rd party games, sales proves that.

Thats not hard, PS4 will pass 100m while Wii U ended up on only 13.5m.



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Barkley on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
SkyerIst_Huiesos said:

by saying that gta V is more popular than zelda, which is false

Again, Zelda BotW is more popular on Switch than GTA V is on PS4, and clear facts proved that, around 80% Switch owners bought Zelda BotW, for instance around 25% PS4 owners bought GTA V.

But thats a COMPLETELY meaningless statement.

So a higher proportion of Switch owners own Zelda, than PS4 owners own GTA V. So??? What's the point?

It's not like Zelda's attach rate is going to stay anywhere near that high.



naruball on 31 May 2017
vivster said:
Miyamotoo said:

They are far less popular than 3rd party games, this list proves that. Sony released 15 1st party games and only 3 of them managed to break in top 30 best selling PS4 games.

So? That just means that 3rd party games are very strong. It's no news that 3rd party games generally sell very well on Sony platforms. I don't see what that has to do with the popularity of Sony games. Do you think that popularity is a finite resource and if 3rd party games are popular, 1st party games are not? That's silly.

Is that the point of this thread? Telling people that 3rd party games sell well on PS4? Sorry to break it to you, but that's not news or thread worthy.

This is nothing more than an attempt to claim that Ninty is better, as seen from his following post.



Miyamotoo on 31 May 2017
SkyerIst_Huiesos said:

 

what's the definition for popular ? how do you know if the game is popular or not ? i think we should begin with these things first

Sales and attach rate are best indicators about popularity of same game on one platform.

 

 

vivster said:
Miyamotoo said:

That's not true, if that is true 1st party games would be much higher on list, you woldnt had only 3 1st party games that sold above 3m, most people are buying PS4 for 3rd party games on 1st place and sales proves that.

No it does not. Selling a system is not the same as selling itself. Units of a first party game sold has nothing to do with how many consoles that game sold. It's always the big picture. People buy the PS4 because due to the breadth of exclusives they are bound to get. Those don't even have to be 1st party, they can also be 3rd party console exclusives.

What matters is that people are promised exclusives and they'll get them. Which ones they actually buy is a completely different matter.

Point is that those exclusives are not so important like you think, and that people actually are buying PS4 for 3rd party games on 1st place, sales clearly proves that.



Barkley on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
vivster said:

No it does not. Selling a system is not the same as selling itself. Units of a first party game sold has nothing to do with how many consoles that game sold. It's always the big picture. People buy the PS4 because due to the breadth of exclusives they are bound to get. Those don't even have to be 1st party, they can also be 3rd party console exclusives.

What matters is that people are promised exclusives and they'll get them. Which ones they actually buy is a completely different matter.

Point is that those exclusives are not so important like you think, and that people actually are buying PS4 for 3rd party games on 1st place, sales clearly proves that.

3rd Party games selling more does not prove that 1st Party isn't important. If PS4 had no 1st-party exclusives then it would drop like a stone. Why choose a ps4 over an XBO, when XBO would have every game PS4 has and exclusives such as Halo and Forza ontop of that.

That is NOT proof.



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Miyamotoo on 31 May 2017
Barkley said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again, Zelda BotW is more popular on Switch than GTA V is on PS4, and clear facts proved that, around 80% Switch owners bought Zelda BotW, for instance around 25% PS4 owners bought GTA V.

But thats a COMPLETELY meaningless statement.

So a higher proportion of Switch owners own Zelda, than PS4 owners own GTA V. So??? What's the point?

It's not like Zelda's attach rate is going to stay anywhere near that high.

Point I tried to make at beginning is that good attach rate doesn't mean better sales, Zelda BotW has better attach rate than GTA V on PS4, but of course it does not have better sales.



SkyerIst_Huiesos on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
SkyerIst_Huiesos said:

by saying that gta V is more popular than zelda, which is false

Again, Zelda BotW is more popular on Switch than GTA V is on PS4, and clear facts proved that, around 80% Switch owners bought Zelda BotW, for instance around 25% PS4 owners bought GTA V.

 

Kerotan said:
Uncharted, the last of us, Gran Turismo and God of war. That's 4 mega first party titles that people buy Sony consoles for. You can add Horizon to the list now. 

Just because third parties do megaton numbers doesn't mean many millions don't buy a ps for first party. 

When all is said and done more will have bought a PS4 for first party then the WiiU had. And that was that consoles main appeal.

And there will also new big 3rd party games for which will buy PS4.

Some people definitely buying PS4 for 1st party games, but it's obvious that majority is buying them for 3rd party games, sales proves that.

Thats not hard, PS4 will pass 100m while Wii U ended up on only 13.5m.

your statement sounds so wrong, i can sell one console with only one game and the attach rate will be 100 %. so what ? it doesn't change anything, only PR useless words.

Btw, cand you give me the defition for  popular ? how do you know that the exclusive is popular or not ? (exact numbers, pls, to understand how it works for you)



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mjk45 on 31 May 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
Miyamotoo said:

You can buy 1st party and 3rd party games digitally also, so if list is not accurate it goes in both directions, for 1st party and 3rd party.

That attach rate says that Zelda BotW currently is more popular on Switch than GTAV is on any other platform, that doesnt mean it sold better, just that has better attach rate. When you comparing attach rate on difrent platforms you need to include instal base, there is reason why every 3rd party game sold better on PS4 than it is on XB1, that because PS4 has twice bigger instal base. So if you comparing attach rate of GTAV on PS4 on XB1 offcourse you need to include instal base, offcourse you dont need instal base for comparison on same platform.

That's simply incorrect. While sales don't necessarily indicate popularity in the first place, they'd still suggest that the game that sells more units is the more popular regardless...

if install base was such a large factor PS2 games should hold all the records followed by WIi games , console ownership isn't static. 40 million consoles solid doesn't mean 40 million customers all buying the same games and people buy for different reasons some buy for a single genre,some drop by the wayside, others are hardened gamers and even if they buy in similar large numbers they can end up have vastly different game libraries , I tend to think it some what evens itself out, the advantage of having the field to your self early on is later on  taken back by having  more custiomers and then  near the end we see a drop off where people are less invested in a system with a new one on the horizon. 



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bananaking21 on 31 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
vivster said:

That's just completely wrong. 1st party games are a lot more than just nice additions. Most people wouldn't even consider getting a PS4 if it didn't have its wide range of top notch exclusives. They have the most hype behind them. They're the reason why things like PSX exist, they're the things everyone looks forward to in their press conferences. Sony wouldn't even be close to the popularity they have today if it wasn't for their wide range of exclusives.

That's not true, if that is true 1st party games would be much higher on list, you woldnt had only 3 1st party games that sold above 3m, most people are buying PS4 for 3rd party games on 1st place and sales proves that.

 

 

 

bananaking21 said:

i stopped reading there. that is simply not true and you are delusional for believing other wise. im done here. 

You dont know what are you talking about, curently around 8/10 Switch owners bouth Zelda BotW, curently around 1/4 PS4 owners bought GTA V, if you have attach rate, around 80% owner bouth Zelda BotW and around 25% bouth GTV on PS4, that basically proves that Zelda BotW is currently more popular on Switch than it is GTAV on PS4, but attach rate of some game doesnt means better sales. Attach rate tells us how much some games is popular on some platform.

 

Ka-pi96 said:

That's simply incorrect. While sales don't necessarily indicate popularity in the first place, they'd still suggest that the game that sells more units is the more popular regardless...

 

Barkley said:

What are you even saying here? You go on about needing to include install-base when discussing attach rate... the figure for attach rate already takes installbase into account that's the whole point of "attach-rate" it's impossible to not include the install-base.

But susing attach rate for that bolded statement... wow.

Curently around 8/10 Switch owners bouth Zelda BotW, curently around 1/4 PS4 owners bought GTA V, if you want attach rate, around 80% owner bouth Zelda BotW and around 25% bouth GTV on PS4, that basically proves that Zelda BotW is currently more popular on Switch than is GTAV on PS4, but attach rate of some game doesnt means better sales. Its actualy very simple. Attach rate tells us how much some games is popular on some platform.

 

Alright dude. how about we cut the hypocrisy, the inconsistency, the lack of logic, the stupidity, and stop moving goal posts to try drive an agenda, shall we?

your OWN OP uses SALES to try detrmine the POPULARITY of first party games on PS4. then somehow you want to drive the agenda that Zelda > GTA5 so you use attatch rate. you flat out contradict yourself. your original OP has no mention of attatch rate what so ever. im sure you are going to edit that shortly though. 

more people have GTA5 on PS4 then people have zelda on switch. thats literally how you measure popularity. MORE PEOPLE HAVE IT. ITS LITERALLY MORE POPULAR. thats a fact. attatch rate means shit. 



think-man on 31 May 2017

Horizon would have made the list if you made it later in the year.



 

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