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Miguel_Zorro said:

Please move this discussion here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228131

We'll limit discussion in this thread to the emulator in the OP.

I already have. :) Didn't notice your last post.



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Bandorr said:
Zkuq said:

Emulation is not piracy! They're often related, but not always, and they're definitely two very different things.

Sure. If you buy the game. And really the point of the games is to get you to buy their console. And their controllers. And their services etc.

What percent of people that will "emulate" these games - own a PS3/Ps4? What percentage will even bother to buy the game?

That percent that doesn't? Is pirating it.

No, just no. If you regularly bought the game, you aren't a pirate if you run it on an emulator instead of on dedicated proprietary HW. Proprietary platforms work financially for platform owners because they get them royalties on SW, and they get them whenever you buy regular SW, even if you don't buy their HW. Some console makers even sell consoles at a loss for a long time. Moreover, even ruinning an emulator, gamedrs can still buy platform-specific controllers, anmd if  they are first party, or 3rd party licensed ones, the platform owner will still get money, as they almost always get a far higher profit margin on peripherals than on consoles, even when the latter become profitable on HW. Not to mention that selling SW also to people not owning the HW increases the attach rate, making the platform more desirable for 3rd parties to develop for.
Last, but not least, whatever they try to make you believe, buying some SW doesn't create an obligation to buy the HW that supports it too, nor buying HW forces you to buy its SW (in this case, though, if you want to mod HW to run other SW, the firmware can't be the original one modified, it must be written from scratch, or, if possible, it must be done in a way that loads additional FW without modifying the original one, as almost always the original FW license doesn't allow unauthorised modifications, but you can still ditch it altogether or, if possible, run something else instead of it without modding it).
HW piracy would just apply if you bought an illegal, unlicensed clone console.



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Bandorr said:
BasilZero said:

 

I dont think Nintendo is worried about anything either. The sales of the games speak for themselves and I honestly think you are still over blowing the situation.

 

I'm currently playing Zelda BotW on my WiiU and will be planning to play it in the future on the emulator as well.

 

You should play or talk about the actual games more and leave all the legal issues to people who actually work in law and with the groups responsible (Nintendo and the developers of the emulator) imo - cause this isnt as serious as you think it is.

Piggybacking off of Svennoj url

"The most pirated Wii game was Super Mario Galaxy 2, with 1.28 million downloads. Mario Sports Mix (1.09 million downloads), Xenoblade Chronicles (950,000 downloads), Lego Pirates of the Caribbean (870,000 downloads) and FIFA 12 (860,000) rounded out the top five most pirated Wii games list"

Those seem like pretty huge numbers imo.

"Specialist site TorrentFreak estimated, using several sources of data, that Crysis 2 was downloaded illegally nearly 4 million times (3.92 million)."

Isn't the main reason the PC has DRM to prevent piracy? I rather not imagine consoles having to use crappy DRM just to prevent people that are "emulating" them.

According to VGC numbers Xenoblade chronicles sold 910000 copies, and was pirated 950000 times, 104% of the copies, more copies pirated than sold. Simply ridicolous especially for a console still on market, there's some more Wii Mini and Wii U in the store to play the game on.

Same for Zelda WiiU i don't know the numbers, but i'm sure the attach rate for the WiiU version sold and downloaded illegally it's pretty huge. A lot try to justify that if you own the game etc... you can play the game where you want, but it's not like this, otherwise Nintendo (or Atlus, Sony, Sega etc...) have released their games on those platforms. It's just an excuse. Maybe a society make a deal for exclusivity, spend money for it to make people buy their hardware.

Emulation it's a whim for the ones that don't wanna spend money and try to justify it, especially for recent games. Many times I have been asking people who emulate the games to let me see pictures of the game and the console, and guess what? No evidence, nothing. "Now i can't" etc...

Emulation it's not piracy, otherwise it would be called piracy, but in reality it's something similar to piracy.



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Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Today, even Xbox fans don't care about their games.

Niche game victories.

What?