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Safiir said:
SvennoJ said:

You have the rights you payed for and agreed to in the eula. Maybe some day you'll be a developer and understand how it feels to have the project you worked so hard on being made available online to play in a 'better' way from day 1. Paying for someones work doesn't mean you own their work to alter and distribute as you see fit.

There's a fine line between enthusiam and exploitation, making a brand new game available in an emulator and promoting it is closer to the latter.

I don't have a problem with emulators for old games and systems, yet I find this a very slippery slope and a bit disrespectful.

Wait a minute. I have most certainly NOT agreed to an eula when buying a video game. That's one. And second - when playing on an emulator you do not alter or distribute it in any way. Heck modding a game is a direct alteration. Let's ban mods then?

Yes you did, after installing / starting the software. http://simpleeulas.weebly.com/nintendo-eula.html

When I worked with 3rd party data we had to sign a contract to protect the data, encrypt it, made it so it could not be easily reverse engineered or copied in part of whole. I do not see Cemu doing anything in that regards. If they have an agreement with Nintendo to ensure it only works with a WiiU Zelda disc inserted or while logged in to a Nintendo account with the digital license for Zelda than I see no problem. However I very much doubt they're even looking into that.

Fact is, they are promoting their emulator with the use of Zelda BotW and making money by doing so while indirectly encouraging people to download a ripped unprotected version of a brand new game to use on that emulator. There is no way that is in their rights. However the internet is so upside down that when Nintendo sends a cease and decist letter, they will be the bad guys...

Modding is indeed a direct alteration which is allowed by developers on a game by game basis. Pokemon Go for example rightfully shut down user mods to protect their IP. You also can't alter a movie and put the alterations online to watch that movie they way you want it to be watched. Your $60 purchase doesn't give you rights to the IP nor distribution rights of its (modified) parts. There is this weird logic that if some games allow it then all games should allow it.

Anyway what you do in your own home with whatever you buy is fair game. Whether you can use it to promote your own work or make alterations and publish them is up to the IP owner. Cemu is overstepping their bounds here.



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SvennoJ said:
Safiir said:

Wait a minute. I have most certainly NOT agreed to an eula when buying a video game. That's one. And second - when playing on an emulator you do not alter or distribute it in any way. Heck modding a game is a direct alteration. Let's ban mods then?

Yes you did, after installing / starting the software. http://simpleeulas.weebly.com/nintendo-eula.html

When I worked with 3rd party data we had to sign a contract to protect the data, encrypt it, made it so it could not be easily reverse engineered or copied in part of whole. I do not see Cemu doing anything in that regards. If they have an agreement with Nintendo to ensure it only works with a WiiU Zelda disc inserted or while logged in to a Nintendo account with the digital license for Zelda than I see no problem. However I very much doubt they're even looking into that.

Fact is, they are promoting their emulator with the use of Zelda BotW and making money by doing so while indirectly encouraging people to download a ripped unprotected version of a brand new game to use on that emulator. There is no way that is in their rights. However the internet is so upside down that when Nintendo sends a cease and decist letter, they will be the bad guys...

Modding is indeed a direct alteration which is allowed by developers on a game by game basis. Pokemon Go for example rightfully shut down user mods to protect their IP. You also can't alter a movie and put the alterations online to watch that movie they way you want it to be watched. Your $60 purchase doesn't give you rights to the IP nor distribution rights of its (modified) parts. There is this weird logic that if some games allow it then all games should allow it.

Anyway what you do in your own home with whatever you buy is fair game. Whether you can use it to promote your own work or make alterations and publish them is up to the IP owner. Cemu is overstepping their bounds here.

I take that back. About the EULA part.

About the CEMU guys making money. They've created a software. This software emulates a piece of hardware on another hardware. Nintendo has no right on the code they've created. So it is legally impossible for them to shut them down. They simply do not own any part of this software. Now, sure a lot of people are probably using pirated copies of the games they're playing on the emulator but any legal actions should be directed to them. Also to sites providing the pirated content. The developers of the emulator have no more legal responsibility to what people are doing with the emulator, than the creator of a brick that was used to kill a person.



SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:

I will be buying a Switch at some point anyways but not for zelda since ill already of finished my wiiu version and then finished it the 2nd time on my PC in a much higher res then even the Switch version.

So you admit Cemu is responsible for at least one lost sale of a Switch version of Botw ;)

Ok, but they still are turning a profit with Botw, so I don't see the problem.



Knitemare said:
So, is it playable right now from beggining to end? because if it is, I will skip my WiiU and stick my brand new copy on my PC right away.

I'd recommend waiting a few months before attempting a proper playthrough. If they maintain their current pace, it should be fully playable and stable around then.



Safiir said:

I take that back. About the EULA part.

About the CEMU guys making money. They've created a software. This software emulates a piece of hardware on another hardware. Nintendo has no right on the code they've created. So it is legally impossible for them to shut them down. They simply do not own any part of this software. Now, sure a lot of people are probably using pirated copies of the games they're playing on the emulator but any legal actions should be directed to them. Also to sites providing the pirated content. The developers of the emulator have no more legal responsibility to what people are doing with the emulator, than the creator of a brick that was used to kill a person.

CEMU guys have no right to use BotW to promote their software either. Plus it's a legal grey area as unfortunately the case against George Hotz never got completed. Even if they have no real legal responsibility, they still have a moral one.

Anyway, I talked long enough about this. Yes it is cool to see what they can accomplish with the emulator, it's just too soon, and it would be fine if they didn't make it available for download.



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SvennoJ said:


Anyway, I talked long enough about this. Yes it is cool to see what they can accomplish with the emulator, it's just too soon, and it would be fine if they didn't make it available for download.

I don't see them doing that.

It'd be fine if the world just kept on spinning though, which it will.



Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

I think that's the smoothest I have seen it running on a PC so far! Can't wait to upgrade my PC soon and get this shit running!



                  

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