After xbox one and Halo 5, I am done with the xbox brand for a while. Perhaps now it is time for a shift to PC.
| konnichiwa said: blue dragon and lost odyssey are now available digital the first one cost 19.99$ the second is bit cheaper and is giving away for free till the end of this month so start downloading :). |
thismeintiel said:
Kinda doubt it'll be a hybrid console. You honestly think MS is going to have it where you can plop one disc into either a Scorpio or XB2 and play on both systems, only with upgraded graphics? Highly doubt that. They may have said that to cause a stir, but once they realize Nintendo and Sony aren't down for that, though more importantly devs and pubs, AND that they would be losing money on people who double dip for remakes/upgrades, they'll abandon it real quick. Nah, it'll be just like any other gen. We'll get cross-gen games and maybe devs/pubs who will offer free or at low cost upgrades to their games, but tey will still be different games on different discs. I doubt MS revealing a XB2, even if it is slightly more powerful than a PS5, will really hurt the WW appeal of the next PS5. Especially if it is B/C with the highly successful PS4, while still launching for just $399. Of course, if the Scorpio flounders out the gate, a XB2 will become farther from a certainty. |
then you completely miss the point... First MS never competed directly with Sony it's just a mere consequence of being in the console market... It's more about cutting any entry point to the living room to true big players like google/alphabet, amazon, apple etc... You know the company MS are actually threaten by...
with that in mind MS is trying not only to supress the concept of generation changing console consomption into something more streamlined... For everybody consumers and developers.... But that's just a fragment of the true goal... They want to remove the concept of device.... Through software unification... Develop for on target and automatically adapt to all if needed...
what this mean is devs could cut cost, take advantage of the latest HW while keeping the game available for older device owners those widening the market.... But it could also mean that MS could eventually have third party hardware manufacturer do XBox compatible device... Opening the door to the competition but with their Software/ecosystem on it.. XBOX being just a showpiece like the surface line is for other devices.. I pretty sure that's MS objective maybe not today or tomorrow but in a future not so far from now...
the real question Sony fans should ask themselves is in what shape Sony will be 5 years from now??? Knowing very well how the company is terribly manage at the European level, not leveraging their strength in one sector to push up their struggling division even after hundreds of recommendations from consulting partners in various field... I guarantee you the Sony you know today is not the one of tomorrow... Pretty sure after the VAIO branch the Phone branch will be the next to go.
anyway bottom line Sony is a blimp on MS radar when it comes to both companies future and Sony is more struggling than MS... Yes they are competing on the console market by design but in the long run they have very different objectives...
| Solid-Stark said: I've been wanting to ask someone about this and you are very knowledgeable. Why didn't Sony/Cerny go with Puma+ on the PS4 Pro? I recall reading that it was more straightforward to keep Jaguar since the logic wouldn't change. Developers woud be tasked with accomodating the extra GPU resources. Since it was a lighter job they would be more likely to support the Pro. Doesn't this imply (assuming Scorpio doesn't keep Jaguar) that it's more tedious to support Scorpio? I also recall reading that a higher frequency probably would have meant an external power supply. But I'd take a 2.5GHz Puma+ for stable framerates.. |
Likely cost. Jaguar is a small chip, takes time and money to thoroughly test and verify the CPU blocks in these monolithic SoC's, so you are right, they get to keep allot of the logic.
It allowed Sony a shorter time to market by sticking with a known quantity and keeps everything cost efficient.
Also ensures complete compatability with the Playstation 4.
Microsoft's case is a little different though.
Microsoft already has to do some massive changes to it's SoC, such as the new Memory Controller to adopt the GDDR5 standard... And likely removal of the eSRAM (Unless they retain for compatability purposes and use it like an L4 cache in Scorpio mode. - Which still requires changes.) which took up a massive % of the Xbox One chip.
Plus Microsoft won't be just doubling it's GPU and making some alterations to a few of the blocks, they will likely be taking advantage of the new Architecture found in Vega which is a massive overhaul to Graphics Core Next.
Microsoft is probably more willing to eat the development costs to get the leg-up over Sony... And will use software to bridge the compatability gap.
And nope. Puma+ is just as energy efficient as Jaguar. In-fact more so, it has a massive reduction in power leakage, so it wouldn't have required an external PSU... You would be surprised how powerful a PSU can be made to fit inside Slim ITX cases these days anyway.
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| craighopkins said: here is a good video speculating what might be in scorpio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKeUX96nvfM |
What an absolute moronic talk. I stopped listening after about six minutes. The guy has absolutely no clue, is often plain wrong, and just adds buzzwords to appear knowledgable. He obviously isn't. A calssic case of misterxmedia level of "knowledge".
thismeintiel said:
But you also have to think about price. Of course, MS has played both sides of that, as well. Earlier on they were talking about a premium product for a premium price, basically suggesting this thing will be $499-$599, maybe more. More recently, they have been talking about it not costing as much as people think. I'm wondering if they have looked at the performance of the Pro, seeing that mid-gen upgrades are a little more niche than they thought, and have scaled things back to keep price down. I don't think the Scorpio is going to be as decked out as people think. Maybe a slightly upgraded CPU architecture, maintain the 8gb of RAM, just a better type, and of course, a better GPU. I see the price being $449-$499, the latter being if they do use a Vega GPU. |
Quite a few assumptions.
Let me tell you, why you are wrong.
1st The Pro is on the market for 7 or 8 weeks now. There is not much reliable data available to check how it actually performed. And no, a company like Microsoft does not base its decisions on Amazon rankings. Heck, December NPDs aren't even out yet.
2nd Even if it turns out that the Pro really underperformed, there are more reasons than "mid-gen upgrades are niche" as you claim. Maybe the Pro just isn't powerful enough to convince hardcore players and too expensive to convince casuals to pay $100 more. Maybe 4k is not mainstream enough yet. Maybe people wait for the Scorpio to get the real deal. MS might see it like they need to avoid the mistake Sony did and pimp the Scorpio up even more. WHO THE HELL KNOWS?!
3rd MS said it loud an clear that they want to build the most powerful console possible. "It is a monster" is a direct quote. If it turns out to be just slightly more powerful than the Pro, their marketing team will have a lot of work to do.
4th MS wants to distance itself as much as possible from the Xbox One and the PS4 ( PS4 Pro. They want to find their niche. They will not win anything when the general perception is like "I can do that with my Xbox One, too." or "Just the Xbox One Pro". They need USPs to sell their products. They are doing it right now with the Xbox One S and the 4k BluRay-drive. They will do the same with the Xbox Scorpio, show the public why it is so different and better than all the consoles out there. Showing software that can't be done on any other console is a great selling point, don't you think?
Imagine not having GamePass on your console...
The only thing less attractive to consumers then an Xbox is an expensive Xbox.
The rep said the Scorpio slide was in the ryzen booth for a reason. If you guys think the rep is lying and they put the slide there by accident then u are kidding yourself. Even Spencer and Greensburg hinted at it
| craighopkins said: The rep said the Scorpio slide was in the ryzen booth for a reason. If you guys think the rep is lying and they put the slide there by accident then u are kidding yourself. Even Spencer and Greensburg hinted at it |
where?
Imagine not having GamePass on your console...
thismeintiel said:
But you also have to think about price. Of course, MS has played both sides of that, as well. Earlier on they were talking about a premium product for a premium price, basically suggesting this thing will be $499-$599, maybe more. More recently, they have been talking about it not costing as much as people think. I'm wondering if they have looked at the performance of the Pro, seeing that mid-gen upgrades are a little more niche than they thought, and have scaled things back to keep price down. I don't think the Scorpio is going to be as decked out as people think. Maybe a slightly upgraded CPU architecture, maintain the 8gb of RAM, just a better type, and of course, a better GPU. I see the price being $449-$499, the latter being if they do use a Vega GPU. Still, at that price, as far as sales go, it's going to make little difference. First of all, the Scorpio is only going to affect things in a handful of countries, namely US, UK, and possibly AU. Xbox just isn't the WW brand PS is. Secondly, people have already shown they are still happy with their PS4s until the PS5 comes out, with Pro being a more niche product. Now, that might change this year when Sony drops the Pro to $299-$349, but I'm sure a $199 Slim will still sell more. It's possible Xbox gamers will turn out to be more likely to upgrade, but it won't be at any significant margin. And if Sony does decide to do a full $100 cut of the Pro this year, the Scorpio doesn't have a prayer. That will probably be a $150-$200 price advantage. Finally,... The Scorpio is just too late to change anything. We started getting rumors about the PS4 and XBO in early 2012. If the same thing happens this time, we should be getting them early 2018, only a few months after the Scorpio launches. That can't be good for sales. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony let out some controlled leaks. And the Scorpio may only be getting a Vega GPU to keep costs down, but after 2 years, I'm sure costs will be down for Sony to make a damn good system with Vega and Ryzen for $399, plus any advancements 2 years and Sony's teams can bring. |
Better CPU, better RAM, better GPU... how much more "decked out" do you expect it might be? Sounds like you're expecting a larger upgrade than most of us. I also highly doubt MS thinks this will suddenly win them the generation. Maybe they just think this will extend this gen and give them more sales than the Xbone could have. It will also help to further remove them from the Xbone stigma, which Spencer and the new regime have done a good job accomplishing thus far.
No offense but you always predict this may be the last Xbox console. According to.your past predictions, we shouldn't even be seeing the Scorpio. Microsoft should have conceded defeat and permanently left the hardware business.
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