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Qwark said:
VGPolyglot said:

You seem to have a case of survivorship bias: you only look at the success stories and what they did to get there while ignoring countless other people who did the same thing and yet failed.

Which communistic system was ever successful? Soviet Union wasn't a Succes,  neither was Cuba or East Germany compared to west Germany. If you already think the US does a poor job I think we can safely say that China does an even worse job. North Korea also does a very poor job. So since the Western world which I consider the best place to live (for me at least I would be the last to stop you going to a communist country). Besides weren't there lots of environmental problems in communistic countries ghe soviet union and China sure have them. 

China is capitalist, North Korea doesn't even mention communism in their constitution, and as I stated to others they did not claim to be communist, instead they said that their goal was to eventually be communist.



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Slimebeast said:
VGPolyglot said:

If that's true, then why did Trump have to tell his supporters to stop the wave of hate crimes that his supporters were committing after the elections? The ones who did the hate crimes did it because of the election results because they felt vindicated after his victory.

How the fuck do you have stomach to talk about "hate crimes" when it's minorities and third world immigrants who commit nearly all crimes in the West?

Why don't you ever address that gigantic problem? Gang members killing people left and right, Middle-easterners bullying Western youth and groping women all over Europe. All the new types of crime that Sweden and other European nations got with immigration (gang rapes, balcony girls, group gropings, extortion among youth, car fires, stoning of firefighters and ambulance, fake divorcements etc).

The fucking nerve of these leftists. Socialism is the most dangerous ideology on this planet. It's entirely corrupt.

And you wonder why you're called racists?



VGPolyglot said:

No, anarchism came out of socialism, and many prominent anarchists advocated a socialist economic policy and were specifically anti-capitalist. Anarchists believe in public ownership, but public ownership refers to the workers instead of the state like it does when referring to Leninism.

Anarchists do NOT promote business ownership by workers! 

They do NOT want any sort of external tyrannies like that, they'd rather individual ownership if it's a private business or proportional ownership if it's a public business ... 

Anarchists does NOT want ANY of the working class to own their personal assets ...

You do not truly understand what anarchism truly means when it's the "absence of rule" ... 



fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

No, anarchism came out of socialism, and many prominent anarchists advocated a socialist economic policy and were specifically anti-capitalist. Anarchists believe in public ownership, but public ownership refers to the workers instead of the state like it does when referring to Leninism.

Anarchists do NOT promote business ownership by workers! 

They do NOT want any sort of external tyrannies like that, they'd rather individual ownership if it's a private business or proportional ownership if it's a public business ... 

Anarchists does NOT want ANY of the working class to own their personal assets ...

You do not truly understand what anarchism truly means when it's the "absence of rule" ... 

You do know that anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-collectivists existed before anarcho-capitalists, right?



VGPolyglot said:

You do know that anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-collectivists existed before anarcho-capitalists, right?

What existed before doesn't matter, what matters is the definition ... 

Some will go on to even claim that Greece was the first democracy because it's idea was invented there in spite of Roman rule ... 

Pure anarchism involves absolutely no governance by higher authorities and that includes communities too ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

You do know that anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists and anarcho-collectivists existed before anarcho-capitalists, right?

What existed before doesn't matter, what matters is the definition ... 

Some will go on to even claim that Greece was the first democracy because it's idea was invented there in spite of Roman rule ... 

Pure anarchism involves absolutely no governance by higher authorities and that includes communities too ... 

Rothbard even admitted that anarcho-capitalists weren't anarchists. Also, your last sentence basically supports social anarchism because anarcho-capitalism does have governance by CEOs of companies who would have multiple workers and basically unlimited power as they would just hire private military forces to take over as much land and enslave as many people as they can.



VGPolyglot said:

Rothbard even admitted that anarcho-capitalists weren't anarchists. Also, your last sentence basically supports social anarchism because anarcho-capitalism does have governance by CEOs of companies who would have multiple workers and basically unlimited power as they would just hire private military forces to take over as much land and enslave as many people as they can.

One person can not dictate an idea no matter how hard they wish including Rothbard ... 

Also CEOs are not your government in the slightest when the said individual itself decided that they follow their higher ups ... 

CEOs are not governors because they are not the ones who set arbitrary rules for people when that is for the individuals for themselves to decide and the individuals ALWAYS have a said option of opposing ANY forces ... 



fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

Rothbard even admitted that anarcho-capitalists weren't anarchists. Also, your last sentence basically supports social anarchism because anarcho-capitalism does have governance by CEOs of companies who would have multiple workers and basically unlimited power as they would just hire private military forces to take over as much land and enslave as many people as they can.

One person can not dictate an idea no matter how hard they wish including Rothbard ... 

Also CEOs are not your government in the slightest when the said individual itself decided that they follow their higher ups ... 

CEOs are not governors because they are not the ones who set arbitrary rules for people when that is for the individuals for themselves to decide and the individuals ALWAYS have a said option of opposing ANY forces ... 

Anarchists don't just support the abolition of the government. They support the abolition of hierarchy and unjustified authority in general. Therefore, capitalism must be abolished because it is inherently hierarchical.



VGPolyglot said:

Anarchists don't just support the abolition of the government. They support the abolition of hierarchy and unjustified authority in general. Therefore, capitalism must be abolished because it is inherently hierarchical.

Define "unjust" authority ... 

Anarchism does not preclude capitalism in the purest sense. In anarchy, hierarchy is only an illusion that people themselves decide to follow for their benefit ... 

In anarchism there is always a choice, that's important because the said individual can choose whether or not to work for private business owners ... 

There's no conflict between anarchism and capitalism no matter how much you make that out to be the case ... 



fatslob-:O said:
VGPolyglot said:

Anarchists don't just support the abolition of the government. They support the abolition of hierarchy and unjustified authority in general. Therefore, capitalism must be abolished because it is inherently hierarchical.

Define "unjust" authority ... 

Anarchism does not preclude capitalism in the purest sense. In anarchy, hierarchy is only an illusion that people themselves decide to follow for their benefit ... 

In anarchism there is always a choice, that's important because the said individual can choose whether or not to work for private business owners ... 

There's no conflict between anarchism and capitalism no matter how much you make that out to be the case ... 

Unjust authority is one where a person has control over someone else for personal benefit. 

As for your last system, yes there's a conflict because anarchism is anti-capitalist. That's a core part of anarchism. The only way that it isn't is by changing its definition, and if we did that what's the point of having terms in the first place if they can just be changed at will?