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"Er?

No Mac has ever used anything resembling a Cell processor." 

Cell processors all use power pc architect. 

 

 "EPIC fail.

burnout, GTA4, COD4 to name a few.

uncharted looks better then anygame on 360 and killzone kills halo3 is graphics. GT5 KILLs forza in every way possible and has more shit in it.

and are u a dev? because real devs say all the time that the ps3 is stronger...this is a fact... i hate when people argue the facts. In fact a couple of devs said that 360 is maxed out whereas ps3 is not.

I dont feel like finding a link but i will if u want me to.. i am at work...."

 

Are you talking about his statement or yours?

 

So far ever multi platform game runs faster and sometimes beter looking(but never worse) on a 360.  Maybe its because it harder to write code for 7 cpu's or maybe its because the 360 runs at 240 gFlops instead of 214 which the ps3 runs at.  Either way ps3 sucks.

 

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/02/1up-360-football-games-to-run-faster-than-ps3/ 

 

"360 can't handle MGS4 just like PS2 couldn't handle Ninja Gaiden."

360 is still the most powerfull platform on the market

"GTAV...well R* didn't take advantage of blu-ray because of the deal with MS so it's possible that the next GTA might be PS3 exclusive (hey, you said best Technology. Larger storage, HDDs in all units)"

 There is no true advantage of blu-ray.....First off blu ray runs slower than a DVD, second if you really need the extra space do what lost oddessy did.  Best technology laarger storage?  Have you heard of the game called 96K, its a game that 96 killobites and looks like halo 2 graphics and runs into 10 mins of game play.  No need to have large storage when you got Procedural generation .

 

I may trash ps3 a lot but I own one, months before I got my 360 i was a big fan of sony but since the ps3 is such a screw up why should i support them. 



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TheBigFatJ said:
Dno said:

EPIC fail.

burnout, GTA4, COD4 to name a few.

GTA 4?  That's the game in lower resolution on the PS3, right?  It's HD on the 360, but not HD on the PS3.

CoD 4 looks very similar on both systems.  I didn't notice much of a difference myself, except that they both looked like shit compared to the PC version.  I don't know about Burnout, but if you look at Madden 08 it's very obvious that the 360 version looks and plays better.  Same with

I'm not a dev, not for high end games anyhow, but I do understand the architecture of the Cell (I developed a pipelined processor while earning my computer science degree) and I understand game engines (developed one of those, too).  You can find plenty of devs who will say, "the PS3 is more powerful" or "the 360 is more powerful."   The only real area of contention is the Cell and Xenon, as its accepted (and simply a fact) that the 360 has more fill rate and they have about the same amount of memory (small advantage to the 360 here).

And Cell vs Xenon is not a simple discussion because they cannot be directly compared.  The ultimate answer is that the Cell is very fast for some things, but not others, whereas the Xenon is quite fast for most things.  Again, compared to modern processors they're both fairly slow, but not nearly as slow as the GPUs in each of those systems. 

They're both video game toys, sure.  Neither is a super powerful system -- we're already 3 years into the "Next generation" of games, and already PCs can mop the floor with either of the systems handily and they're struggling to live up to the promise of HD gaming.  But, whatever, take offense that I suggested the 360 toy is about equivalent with the PS3 toy, except for some minor differences. 


But GTA4 runs better on ps3... rockstar said so.

And if u look at my past links you will see a thread that sony has more 1080p games then microsft. so You can crack on the lower res if you want but sony still has them beat. (and the system is a year younger)

I like how you didnt even say anything about the other games but thats ok ill leave those alone as well.

And u are right they are minor differences but you did not say that before. so now we agree. ps3 is a little stronger at pushing graphics then 360. you changed what you said but thats fine with me.



Dno said:
rocketpig said:
Dno said:
As long as im not wrong im good. i said nuthin that is not true... so close but not really

If all you're going to do is trash the Xbox, feel free to leave the Microsoft forum. We were having an intelligent discussion about this until you arrived.

Stop thread-crapping and pushing your pro-PS3 agenda in the MS forum.


I did not push any ps3 agenda.. for u info i love my 360 and i owned every microsoft gaming system and zune. The guy said the 360 is stronger and thats just not true.

You said devs should go to 360 for money... and since wii has sold 10 million more then 360 thats also not true.

I said that it makes sense for developers to go 360/PS3 for money... And the list of games I provided is indisputable that there is a lot of success to be had there.  The Wii is an entirely different animal and some games would require massive reworking just to get them running on the console, not to mention that sacrifices would need to be made to graphics and gameplay to conform to the Wii's vastly different setup.

 




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lost soul in bliss said:

"Er?

No Mac has ever used anything resembling a Cell processor."

Cell processors all use power pc architect.


Yes, but so does the 360. The Xenon is much closer to a G5 than the Cell.




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"And Cell vs Xenon is not a simple discussion because they cannot be directly compared."

Because one is an Engine Architecture and one is a GPU.



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lost soul in bliss said:

"Er?

No Mac has ever used anything resembling a Cell processor." 

Cell processors all use power pc architect. 

 

 "EPIC fail.

burnout, GTA4, COD4 to name a few.

uncharted looks better then anygame on 360 and killzone kills halo3 is graphics. GT5 KILLs forza in every way possible and has more shit in it.

and are u a dev? because real devs say all the time that the ps3 is stronger...this is a fact... i hate when people argue the facts. In fact a couple of devs said that 360 is maxed out whereas ps3 is not.

I dont feel like finding a link but i will if u want me to.. i am at work...."

 

Are you talking about his statement or yours?

 

So far ever multi platform game runs faster and sometimes beter looking(but never worse) on a 360.  Maybe its because it harder to write code for 7 cpu's or maybe its because the 360 runs at 240 gFlops instead of 214 which the ps3 runs at.  Either way ps3 sucks.

 

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/02/1up-360-football-games-to-run-faster-than-ps3/ 

 

"360 can't handle MGS4 just like PS2 couldn't handle Ninja Gaiden."

360 is still the most powerfull platform on the market

"GTAV...well R* didn't take advantage of blu-ray because of the deal with MS so it's possible that the next GTA might be PS3 exclusive (hey, you said best Technology. Larger storage, HDDs in all units)"

 There is no true advantage of blu-ray.....First off blu ray runs slower than a DVD, second if you really need the extra space do what lost oddessy did.  Best technology laarger storage?  Have you heard of the game called 96K, its a game that 96 killobites and looks like halo 2 graphics and runs into 10 mins of game play.  No need to have large storage when you got Procedural generation .

 

I may trash ps3 a lot but I own one, months before I got my 360 i was a big fan of sony but since the ps3 is such a screw up why should i support them. 


say all you want.. but the ps3 has the most advance looking tites that 360 can not match... name one game that looks better then killzone and GT5 on 360?

there is not one im sorry just deal with it.



"Yes, but so does the 360. The Xenon is much closer to a G5 than the Cell."

 True not gonna argue.  I just ment the cell is designed off and only for the power architecture processors.

 



did we really have to revive this thread? most of the stuff being said was said before.



rocketpig said:
Dno said:
rocketpig said:
Dno said:
As long as im not wrong im good. i said nuthin that is not true... so close but not really

If all you're going to do is trash the Xbox, feel free to leave the Microsoft forum. We were having an intelligent discussion about this until you arrived.

Stop thread-crapping and pushing your pro-PS3 agenda in the MS forum.


I did not push any ps3 agenda.. for u info i love my 360 and i owned every microsoft gaming system and zune. The guy said the 360 is stronger and thats just not true.

You said devs should go to 360 for money... and since wii has sold 10 million more then 360 thats also not true.

I said that it makes sense for developers to go 360/PS3 for money... And the list of games I provided is indisputable that there is a lot of success to be had there.  The Wii is an entirely different animal and some games would require massive reworking just to get them running on the console, not to mention that sacrifices would need to be made to graphics and gameplay to conform to the Wii's vastly different setup.

 


Right but these are games that FAILED before on a microsoft platform...ff11 sold what 50k copies? and MGS2 sold even less.

All i was saying is ff games sell on nintendo consoles not MS

All im saying is MGS remake on GCN sold more copies the in MS

Why make a huge game like these when MS consles suck in jp? Ifthey make anything it will be on nintendo. If thats not true then i dont no what is.



lost soul in bliss said:

"Yes, but so does the 360. The Xenon is much closer to a G5 than the Cell."

True not gonna argue. I just ment the cell is designed off and only for the power architecture processors.


Ah, I misunderstood. In that case, all three consoles are PPC this generation.




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