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Darwinianevolution said:

Okay, I've been reading old posts and I've found something interesting. Ironically it's not about Clyde, I have no idea whether he's mafia or not. It's about prof.

So if I read this post correctly:

theprof00 said:
I had a grappling hook. I could take one role and use it immediately.
I do not know if they are told.
It is now gone.
I was told I was attacked.
I saved my own ass.
Now everyone knows I'm helpless.
Now everyone knows my power.
Now I'm pretty much just dead.
Thanks for being so thorough.

I have no idea how I missed this post in the past. He says he's used his hability, and now he can be killed with no real means to defend himself. That means he has publicly targeted himself almost as much as Mr.P did, but for the Mafia. So my theory is this: If nightall comes and goes, and mafia don't kill Prof, I will 99% believe that Prof is a mafia himself. Because, as he himself says, he has no means of defending himself anymore, and it would make little to no sense to let him live (unless they are playing 4th dimensional chess with us, but I can't be always that paranoid).

So he either dies a hero, or lives long enough to see himself become the criminal. Why isn't this a Batman themed mafia? lol

But back to the Clyde topic. I can't read much into him, he tried to lay some traps at the beginning of the second day, and had a discussion with Prof, as lots of people here did. Nothing that screams mafia. So I will keep my vote on Mr. P. for now, until further evidence is discovered.

Vote Mr.P.

Lay down exactly what it is, that to you, screams mafia in your average player. I'm all ears. 

Mine for example I already laid out. Posts with no substance, active lurking, actual lurking, wishy washy opinions, lack of conviction, fear of mislynches, tunneling.

You said, what was it, too much activity, lots of analysis?



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Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
@ff
You're dissappointed with my day 1 lynch picks?
You have no read on Darwin, and you suspected stefl, but now don't feel the same way.

Care to elaborate on who your picks are? You seem to have only gone after mr.P all day, so I really have no idea where you stand on anyone.

I don't like those those three are your top picks because: 
1.  Darwin is new and a good participant and I don't think there's a good case against him (being a fresh face with good participation buys me a little leeway if I'm on the fence on Day 1)
2.  Final-Fan is me

Stefl I don't have an issue with being on your list, although I am not convinced about it right now. 

As for my picks, Mr. P remains suspect.  Xander is someone I want to see here or dead and soon.  I don't like Baalz but I dimly recall that this has been historically true due to clashing playstyles/philosophies. 

I am not sure I want to disclose my town reads, but I will say there was one that surprised me. 

Well, continueing on my read on FF (god, I am behind on schedule) some "early" scumspect posting (wooh, exciting, ain't it?)

I guess the one that suprised him was spurge, going for the first 3 mentions: Argueing about Darwin didn't have much merit then - even prof let it go - and yes, no-hurt period is common for new players anyway, not much of a tell. OFC he won't hunt himself and I was garnering suspicion en masse, argueing against that is ludicrous (well, not really that, but there was little reason to do so for him)

Mr.P himself was just the same in terms of public opinion and he showed little motivation to actually argue back at people. Xander was lurking and discussing Baalz is just a small sidenote in current prospect, since we already what baalz flipped and as far as I remember there was no major clash. His argument about historically clashing with him is also what I remember, so ... yeah... meh...

One post to ask Mr.P to fully confirm his "two people for town" claim as bullerproof as there has been some confusion about it. A post about values of participation (town/scum, active/lurker...), I don't get anything from that.

He then proceeds to go after lurking Xander (god did xander choose an aweful post to make for being absent so long, but he went back to not doing anything anyway). He asks if Mr.P can stop playing scummy after Mr.P mentions himself he just feels like playing like scum (omg, I am so wanting to lynch mr.p for all this crap). He then diverts the attention from Mr.P to Xander as he deems Xanders play is intolerable - saying that it doesn't strike me as much unless Mr.P would flip scum, and even then I think that is something a scum FF wouldn't do.

Two topics, one post: First the attempt to gather linkz' townie points, arguing that linkz might have noticed mr.ps appearant awareness towards the 2 noobs one pro scum setup. (also pointing out how Mr.P kinda contradicts himself), second topic being me warm towards Darwin and darwin/me being both mafia. I would like to hear here why he didn't mentioned how likely he deems the inverse. I find the second part of that post kinda lacking in argumentation, as in, how likely he sees it that even one of us is scum, because if he thinks it is a 25% chance that exactly one of us is scum and then gives 70% of that too me it is completely different in meaning than when he thinks it is likely (lets say 80%) that one of us is scum and then says I am 70% likely to be scum in that constellation. It kinda lacks the commitment to a clear statement and it is FFs first thing I fully dislike about his play, because it kinda prevents me from looking into further interaction in this regard. It reminds me of his page 3 post (which I still deem fine in early-ness of the game at that point). It gives me that vibe that he wanted to keep his hands clean on an early (easy) lynch but then when it lost traction wanted to keep it on peoples minds.

((MAJOR EVENT XANDER ANNOUNCES HIM DROPPING OUT))

3 posts about xander dropping out (2 of them more like suggesting a way to fix the problem)

end of page 9@50pp

(I am putting this post here since I accidentally dropped it and am finishing up again - it happened on the end of page 8 just before FF voted xander - and my quick glimpse on it doesn't hold much reason to be discussed)

Overall I found my first thing that does irk me, I am not sure if this is just because it majorly involves me or it struck that much because it is that I am also the only person I can be sure of is town and that is why I was much more aware of him doing what I think his intention was.



theprof00 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Okay, I've been reading old posts and I've found something interesting. Ironically it's not about Clyde, I have no idea whether he's mafia or not. It's about prof.

So if I read this post correctly:

I have no idea how I missed this post in the past. He says he's used his hability, and now he can be killed with no real means to defend himself. That means he has publicly targeted himself almost as much as Mr.P did, but for the Mafia. So my theory is this: If nightall comes and goes, and mafia don't kill Prof, I will 99% believe that Prof is a mafia himself. Because, as he himself says, he has no means of defending himself anymore, and it would make little to no sense to let him live (unless they are playing 4th dimensional chess with us, but I can't be always that paranoid).

So he either dies a hero, or lives long enough to see himself become the criminal. Why isn't this a Batman themed mafia? lol

But back to the Clyde topic. I can't read much into him, he tried to lay some traps at the beginning of the second day, and had a discussion with Prof, as lots of people here did. Nothing that screams mafia. So I will keep my vote on Mr. P. for now, until further evidence is discovered.

Vote Mr.P.

Lay down exactly what it is, that to you, screams mafia in your average player. I'm all ears. 

Mine for example I already laid out. Posts with no substance, active lurking, actual lurking, wishy washy opinions, lack of conviction, fear of mislynches, tunneling.

You said, what was it, too much activity, lots of analysis?

I said that, from experience, people that were Mafia usually followed two strategies: either making themselves invisible by lack of activity (trying to blend into the crowd without calling that much attention), and deflecting all the attention by being really active. And you have been very active towards plenty of users.



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Darwinianevolution said:
theprof00 said:

Lay down exactly what it is, that to you, screams mafia in your average player. I'm all ears. 

Mine for example I already laid out. Posts with no substance, active lurking, actual lurking, wishy washy opinions, lack of conviction, fear of mislynches, tunneling.

You said, what was it, too much activity, lots of analysis?

I said that, from experience, people that were Mafia usually followed two strategies: either making themselves invisible by lack of activity (trying to blend into the crowd without calling that much attention), and deflecting all the attention by being really active. And you have been very active towards plenty of users.

So by your definition, what gives you the impression that the things I have done don't 'scream mafia'? As far as your knowlege goes, I should be at least a cause for consideration in your eyes. Instead you just rule me out completely and go for Prof. 



Clyde32 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I said that, from experience, people that were Mafia usually followed two strategies: either making themselves invisible by lack of activity (trying to blend into the crowd without calling that much attention), and deflecting all the attention by being really active. And you have been very active towards plenty of users.

So by your definition, what gives you the impression that the things I have done don't 'scream mafia'? As far as your knowlege goes, I should be at least a cause for consideration in your eyes. Instead you just rule me out completely and go for Prof. 

exactly my point of asking that question. There have been plenty of users with a lot of activity and "analysis", and there have been a lot that are really quiet.

Darwin's main suspects were me (suddenly starting the suspicion on day 2, despite a passing notice on day 1) for being really active, mrp for unknown reasons- in fact he said this on day 1: "I don't hink M. P is mafia, but if I were him, I wouldn't disclose his role so quickly. I mean, we haven't even taken out someone yet, it's too soon to reveal who is who."

And I think spurge was the other suspect, though I'm not sure why as he didn't follow either of his criteria. As far as lurkers, noc, clyde, and somewhat axum should have caught his attention, and for activity, linkz, ff, and stefl, yet also no mention.

He doesn't follow his own criteria, and also called mrp a suspect despite saying he didn't think mrp was scum just the day before.

 

The only thing I'm concerned about, is that darwin is just a dumb town and scum are trying to railroad a lynch toward him to discredit other players (myself included)



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Stefl1504 said:
Linkzmax said:

Again? You just quoted darwin's post when you realized you had the wrong connection between him and Mr.P in your mind. Or is "another" a typo for "an[y] other?"

no, with how noob he has given himself I am wondering why he wondered about any victim at all. This is something I posted not in the vein on tunneling him. (and no, it was not so much a typo as a way to paraphrase him, I am not sure if the meaning actually diverges too much if I use another instead of any other - the quotes were misguided, but it was points I wanted to bring up to maybe discus, as I said, the ideas I got from it might be not favourable to discus openly)

"Another" implies a second victim, which would be quite alarming for a noob to expect. "Any other" means he would have expected someone to be the victim instead of Baalz. You have a fair point considering he's new to roles and stuff, but if he's town it shows promise for future games.(putting thought into night actions)



Final-Fan said:

So apparently putting greater-than signs in the Quick Reply box that are not code is a bad idea. 

... two windows of x<1 and 2

Haha, I remember this "bug" now. It even eats most of your post when replying.

This non-content post is brought to you by the letter N.



Darwinianevolution said:

Quoting for attention. Please answer these:

Linkzmax said:
Darwinianevolution said:

But back to the Clyde topic. I can't read much into him, he tried to lay some traps at the beginning of the second day, and had a discussion with Prof, as lots of people here did. Nothing that screams mafia. So I will keep my vote on Mr. P. for now, until further evidence is discovered.

Can you quote these traps Clyde tried to lay?

Also I'm still waiting for you to respond to this in regards to prof.

 

Linkzmax said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Okay, I know I have to choose someone to vote, but now I'm in a bit of a pickle. Prof was my main suspect because of reasons I already wrote a lot of posts ago, but if what he says about being the victim of an attempted murder is true, that changes my opinion on him (for now). Mr. P is not guilty, but he seems to be trying to be killed, and I don't know what is he expecting to achieve. Spurge/Zero is a bit of a mystery due to Spurge abandoning the game, though, to be fair, he did it with some major cause. I'm reading Clyde posts now to try and see if he is suspicious or not, because he just voted me.

As much as I might regret it, I'm viting for Mr. P until he explains what is he trying to achieve by voting himself in all of this. Please do.

Explain!



Clyde32 said:
Linkzmax said:

Relevant to this game: Once again I'm going to strongly disagree about this post being scumhunting. That discussion has been over for days, and didn't yield a single lead. Bringing it up again as a general question isn't going to suddenly shed light on the mystery nor does it do anything to determine who to lynch. It's actually worse than a filler post as it's just a distraction.

This one was prompted because re-reading everything I noticed that Baalz was pegged as a killing role by miz. My stance before on the matter was, why would someone redirect someone on to themselves? But if they knew Baalz was a killing role, was it intentional? And if so why would they redirect him on to himself if they knew when they could have used him in later nights? 

I was also thinking that by the way Baalz was talking his most likely target was Mr. P, but something happened there. 

A Mafia redirector is not just going to out themselves. It's a line of questioning that does nothing to find scum.



Linkzmax said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Quoting for attention. Please answer these:

Linkzmax said:

Can you quote these traps Clyde tried to lay?

Also I'm still waiting for you to respond to this in regards to prof.

 

Linkzmax said:

Explain!

1st question: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8168170 Maybe a bit dramatic of me to call that a trap, though :P

 2nd question: About why I think Mr.P is innocent. I don't think his actions or strategies match with Mafia. He was somewhat active at the beginning, until he got a lot of people progressively pointing fingers at him, and them he just pointed himself as a target by voting himself. I think that's the last thing a mafia would do, because of reasons I've explained before (you either blend in, or you convince everyone to accuse another one). If he's doing this, it's in a somewhat desperate attempt to avoid the lynch, but I don't think this trick can work (or even if it does, he won't be able to repeat it twice). And if he's doing this because he's tired of the game, he should just say so or do like Spurge did. A dead outside of the game like that is no fun. That's the reason I asked Mr.P why he's doing this.



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