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Stefl1504 said:
Baalzamon said:
I don't necessarily rule out his bulletproof claim, only that he is a townie.
There could easily be a bulletproof 3rd party. If he truly thinks this takes scums view off of him at night, it would certainly be a logical move (in his opinion) to reveal nice and early like he did.
I also have not ruled out a bulletproof mafia, although this would need to be coupled with a serial killer for the role to even make sense.

vigilante would also be feasible

Given the theme, I am thinking Vigilante is quite likely. But I don't believe a Town or Mafia BP would be included just for a Vigilante unless they have unlimited shots.



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Linkzmax said:
theprof00 said:
No the sentiment isn't new, but darwin is.
I'm pretty sure linkz has darwin as a candidate for lynching.

I have darwin pegged as a certain town role actually, so I'm not too fond of the idea of lynching him toDay. It's far more based on meta than his participation so far, but even barring that I wouldn't want to lynch a first-timer Day One. Additionally, I think it'd be easier to identify him as scum based on flips of his mates than the other way around.

yeah i forgot that you don't like to lynch new people day 1. It's just to me, he's new, and I've seen the exact same kind of talk in mafia QTs of prof overanalyzes but he's trouble etc etc. I could probably pull up 3 or 4 instances of those exact words.



theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

I don't like those those three are your top picks because: 
1.  Darwin is new and a good participant and I don't think there's a good case against him (being a fresh face with good participation buys me a little leeway if I'm on the fence on Day 1)
2.  Final-Fan is me

Stefl I don't have an issue with being on your list, although I am not convinced about it right now. 

As for my picks, Mr. P remains suspect.  Xander is someone I want to see here or dead and soon.  I don't like Baalz but I dimly recall that this has been historically true due to clashing playstyles/philosophies. 

I am not sure I want to disclose my town reads, but I will say there was one that surprised me. 

I just don't think being new and a good participant should count. Much like even though I think you're mafia, I'd hate to lynch you because I haven't seen you in so long. We need to put things like this aside if we are to get anywhere. Conversely, if darwin IS mafia, that would make him more of a threat that he's participating, would it not? Considering that the town, and yourself was willing to lynch a lurker, xander.

Though I agree, it is hard to put feelings aside. And while darwin seems like a cool dude, that doesn't lessen my opinion that I think he's actively defending stefl with stefl's own words.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying we should cut him slack for the entire game, but for Day 1, when we have the worst information and when it is most sad to kill a new player. 

And yes, mafia that are town leaders are obviously more dangerous, but on the other hand mafia that talk a lot but aren't in a leadership position can end up being useful after the flip.  Really, I guess you could say that they are just anti-townies with equivalent negative value to townies' positive value who participate, give good input, etc.  Lurkers being the least positive or least negative, except that lurker townies can have negative value while lurker mafia don't have positive value.  So I guess the inversion would be either inexact or displaced along the axis. 



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Linkzmax said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Why would you say you're equivalent to two town people?

How do you think you're almost confirmed town, before you fully roleclaimed even? Do you understand what confirmed actually means?

@Mr.P, I would also like to know the answers to these.

Also, I don't know if y'all missed it, but he also claimed D.Va. Any CC (counter claim) to this character? I know it's a long shot, not to mention theme-related, but I'm hoping to possibly catch him in a lie.



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Mr.Playstation said:
Baalzamon said:
I want to point out the irony in your comment how I'm no prof, but you have no clue who the pros are here (don't worry prof, im not saying im as good as you, just made me lol).
Regarding the pros,let me get this straight...you say we should look at targeting one of them, but you have absolutely no clue who they are. So ultimately, somebody else will need to initiate a push against the pro, and you will just look like an innocent sheep that followed along when they turn out to be town? How convenient for you.
I think you severely misunderstand your role if you truly are a Town 1x Bulletproof or something along those lines. Because revealing that on day 1 doesn't take the target off of you, it puts it on you even more.

How exactly? Why would Mafia target me, if that would mean that no one would get killed during the night?

And to your left we can see Baalzamon fishing for Mr.P's role.

Oh, and did I mention he is the first person to even mention "bulletproof" (in the quoted post). Everything prior to this had pointed towards a double vote, based on Mr.P's wording. I'm pretty sure Baalzamon has an attacking power.



Linkzmax said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

While I agree that they will be of little help down the line but for day 1. I am not really fond of lynching lurkers day 1. We can be at situation that we don't have any info. at all and we are bak at square one.  That's my 2 cents.

With regards to being back at square one, how is that any different from a no lynch?

It's diiferent Linkz and you know it. If you look at this way. We will only lose one Town or none at all if ever there's a no Lynch.

The real game starts in Day 2 not Day one. I understand that lynching one could give us an info. but for me no lynch is to buy time. If ever there are power roles that can provide us info. the next day then that is awesome and we can go from there. If not then we can just based it from the Scum will kill.  Atleast we only lose 1 townie.

I am not saying that we don't  lynch if we have substantial evidence and there's a slip then let's push or it but lynching a random lurker because they are not posting a lot on day 1 is not good for me. IMO.



Fishing for his role? He said his 2 person comment, which essentially came off as a double voter. He was chastised for coming out with this info, and then he went further and more or less told us he was Bulletproof. Was I the first to say this? Absolutely, but it was far from hidden knowledge. I'm having a very difficult time seeing how my comments came across as fishing.



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Mr.Playstation said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

While I agree that they will be of little help down the line but for day 1. I am not really fond of lynching lurkers day 1. We can be at situation that we don't have any info. at all and we are bak at square one.  That's my 2 cents.

So what can be gained from me? If linkzmax had just gone back to Round 72 he would have noticed that as town my Day 1's are also always quiet. Which would have stopped his vote and the lynch train after it. I still think we should look at the Pro's and lynch one of them.

 

Now I know for a fact that lynching me will not only get you nothing, but it will also lose town a fairly substantial power role. 

Just as Linkz mentioned I am not pushing for your lynch. I am pushing for a no lynch instead of lynching a lurker day 1. I am not really sure why you are acting this way though. It seems to me you are flailing scum by  doing this.



@ prof

1 thing I have noticed. Lynching a lurker will not provide information and no one will suspect them as scum because other townies are also pushing for it. Lurker flip town. Its like we are not going take it against them. It's like the safe lynch and push for those scums so I have 2 for this one I find scummy.

Spurge and FF and a little bit of Baalz.