By making a sequel. 

It's kinda like, if you two are scum, he might be pushing for us two as a pair, so that in case when he and I flip, you basically get a slight cover,  which some people might push as a connection (which I would on first glance), then he could do that with two townies though, just to make people think so, and then we could go full circle of mindgame back to he could be doing that because people might think he picked two townies, when you are actually scum. And so on, and so on.

As Clyde stated - and to expand on it: those numbers are an estimation of what my role is, considering my interactions with players, my overall behaviour and base-likelyhood of me assuming a role.

Vote: Time Limit

We are, quite frankly, further away from a vote now than we were 48 hours ago, with no sign of when this might change. For that matter, half of what I interpreted from the last 50 or so posts is talking about the previous game and doesn't even apply much to our current situation.

I still stand in that I agree a day 1 lynch can be a positive thing. I just think we need to come to a conclusion on whether we want to simply vote for a lurker or if we want to try agreeing on somebody scummy. I'd lean more towards the lurker side of things, as I've experienced games where they advance too far, and it halts the entire game. Not to mention the risk associated with a lurker mislynch is lower in my opinion because IF they were a townie, they clearly weren't going to be helping the town out much anyways.

I didn't say everything you say makes no sense. That is a strawman argument, and makes no sense for you to take that position. (see how that works?) I said, you say things that make sense, and you say things that dont make sense, and you should take more time to think about what your posting because, people are trying to decide what you are.

I am looking at it from your point of view, but your point of view also didn't include my behavior the whole game, behavior that *plausibly* would lead me to believe that he wasn't a cop, there was *plausibility* that I was being serious about zero being wrong. The problem with you is that when there exists a possibility of someone being wrong and also a possibility of someone being right, you automatically side with them being wrong, because it fits your underlying bias, you need to work on that. I had to do the same thing, so don't think about it like I'm picking on you or saying you're bad, you just need to start looking at evidence in a way that asks "what does this evidence say", rather than, "does this evidence confirm this hypothesis".

But anyway, enough talking about the game, I'm still a bit bitter about it, but today is a new day. And, now that I actually understand how you view things, like I said, I do see you looking at this from a scumhunting POV, which is good.

Instead of the way you said the voting thing, you could say, "I don't feel good about how the voting is going down. I feel like there's a lot of votes flying around haphazardly, and I question whether this is actually helpful to town"

Xander has now been in two games where he was put under heavy scrutiny for being absent or lurking. I'm sure he is well aware that his inactivity is supicious, and I doubt this would be his strategy if he were actually mafia.

@Spurge, I don't think voting for a time limit almost 5 days into the 1st day is trying to rush things by any means.

Regarding the modkill, you can't be certain that Trucks will do anything about it. If Xander is mafia and they are a team of 3, as the consensus seems to be, you now have a 2v10 or 2v9v1 which is severely onesided and pretty much makes takes away the choice of a modkill. Even a comment from Trucks regarding this could provide significantly more info regarding Xander than would be acceptable if he were to return.

I've seem some slightly scummy things so far this game, which I have commented on, but there is a reason we aren't close to a lynch yet, and a time limit is a perfect tool to get people to come to a reasonable conclusion on what they want to accomplish with the day.

I also don't like that everyone is automatically looking at the lurkers for the direction to go in. Can someone possibly go through and make a list of who started suggesting a lurker, in order of appearance?

I was one of the first to bring up the topic of Xander lurking, by asking him to get his ass in the thread while quoting him

and on my fast browse FF and spurge were the first ones to actually suggest lynching lurkers?

FF was asking about weather linkz liked me or xander more as a lynch. Then spurge with this - and then linkz voted for mr.p who was argueably active lurking, that was caused by spurges post though.