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Darwinianevolution said:
Linkzmax said:

Were these games in person? Considering how many people it takes to cause a lynch, did they go after everyone on the first mislynch?

How is prof a dangerous player, especially when you don't seem to have a mafia or town lean on him?

Yes, they were in person, and usually the townspeople usually have more than one life so they didn't inmediately die. Also, usually in them the ones that talked the most were trying to distract people from themselves. But I don't know how it works here.

Makes sense that you'd often go after a lynch leader in face to face games. Forum games usually play out differently, because you're not just going off memory of conversations so far. Rather you can actually go back and read everything that's happened again to see what adds up and what doesn't.

Here, since X people voting fairly randomly will be unlikely to form a consensus, the "Town Leader" is an important part of the game to try and get people to follow along so lynches can occur. If the Town Leader is actually mafia, then yes it's quite dangerous, but too many mistakes will backfire on them and it's hard to keep up pretending to scumhunt against townies when very active. If the Town Leader is town, they're likely to be a target for a night kill since a somewhat united town is a threat even when they're uninformed. That's a pretty simple breakdown of it, of course there are more nuances depending on who tries to take up Lead, who makes up scum, and how the game is playing out.



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Stefl1504 said:

~stuff~

At least this makes the connection that Mr. Playstation as scum -> axum is more likely scum

I started an endless mindgame circle in my head and this doesn't make sense after all >_>



Stefl1504 said:
Final-Fan said:

But the scenario is that I get fingered by you, go "oh no! better focus suspicion on someone else", and then try to start up a lurker lynch singlehandedly instead of egging on the Stefl lynch train or something else that seemed to have more traction.  A mislynch on Day 1, that I wasn't even the primary architect of, isn't something I'd plausibly need to fear association with IMO. 

Can you elaborate for me the bolded part for stupid people? I would've understood egging on as joining it with weak reasons D: - (also, next time don't tell people and you might end up double voter through mods grace)

OK, so I was talking about the time period in which Linkzmax laid out his suspicions about me; specifically that I had responded to his post about "Stefl + other thing" by talking about the other thing and not you, when I had FoSed you.  I responded to him and then, in a separate post, started bringing up the option of a lurker lynch.  Noctis claimed that was evidence that I was trying to deflect suspicion by starting a lurker lynch:  "It's funny though when Links is onto you, you quickly divert the attention onto somebody else."

"Egging on" is not "joining for weak reasons" but more like "encouraging something to happen or escalate".  So "egging someone on" to chug a 2-liter bottle, or egging the town on to lynch someone.  So if I just wanted the best way to get the town to look in a direction that wasn't me, I argue, weren't there better targets in pre-existing lynches versus starting a new lynch, even if lurkers are relatively easy targets?  Unless, that is, I had a reason to want you to live...



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Thanks in advance



theprof00 said:
I'm getting a town read from miz.
There are a couple posts that point this out, but I'm feeling pretty good about this observation for now.

As far as stefl, here are some notes:
Was cautious not to put words in spurge’s mouth
Asked 3 people for thoughts on lynch, miz, prof, spurge. Also asked Darwin to post
Assumes 3-10 or 3-1-9 but with the same voting outcomes
Gave evidence that showed lynching day 1 gives more chances to hit scum, took no lynch stance
Said he wanted to start conversation
Thought that he could interrogate “mafia wanting to lynch”, indicating he wanted to start some beef during day
Told noctis it's ok to repeat what others say, just that he should post.

Ok, so his whole rhetoric was that stefl wanted to start conversation by having a no lynch vs lynch debate. His behavior does indicate an attempt to get people to talk. However, his initial idea was not very well thought out as he took the opposite stance from what his math should've told him, and he has shown a lot of cautiousness/vulnerability. Additionally, I took note of the inclusion of a "9-1-3" third party setup, but using the same math as "10-3."
I also don't like that he used the word, "honestly", in defense of one of his points. That word usually stands out to me that a lie is coming.

I'm not extremely confident, but I'd say stefl has a good chance of being mafia, or a survivor maybe, unlikely to be a power role (though he concludes there are potentially mediocre power roles).
I'll say 50% mafia, 40% survivor, 10% mediocre town power

Also noted that the only one who actually looked at the numbers he provided was linkz.

Okay, found it.

I don't agree that a day one lynch will get us close to the mafia guys. We have 8-9/13 to get a towsguy and 3-4/13 of a mafia (you keep mentioning a 3rd category, the survivor, what is that?), so the odds are against the townspeople. But I do agree that wanting people to talk will be good in the long run, to detect further suspicious behaviours. Maybe he just wants to try and get someone to slip ut if they are mafia or not?



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Things I want to see in the next 8 hours:

Mr. P explain himself
Noctis appear for his daily visit
Xander being alive (requesting a mod-poke there)
Clyde's thoughts on Mr. Ps roundhouse accusation
Me understanding spurge (cuz the two most recent statements I cannot agree with, ignoring the axum one)



Mr. P's initial accusation was just a general observation. The real problem child is this post here

Mr.Playstation said:
Linkzmax said:

Why axum or Stefl?

Why not?

However, I can't tell if this is a scummy play or just a noob mistake. I feel like a scum would have played this off better, but then I'm not sure how experienced he is in the game. It's definitely something worth applying pressure to. 



Clyde32 said:

Mr. P's initial accusation was just a general observation. The real problem child is this post here

Mr.Playstation said:

Why not?

However, I can't tell if this is a scummy play or just a noob mistake. I feel like a scum would have played this off better, but then I'm not sure how experienced he is in the game. It's definitely something worth applying pressure to. 

I checked back on the previous two games, mr. p was more talkative in both of them, so that is a really hard tell (since he switched up mafia/town)

Xander has been more active in both games, both town(I don't want to say that that is any indicator since I have no fucking clue what is going on on his end, when I checked he at least wasn't online)

This was not a full checkup so far, just of parts of the first day of each game.



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Anyway,
@darwin

What is it about my analysis that makes you think that I'm a dangerous player? As far as I can tell, you agree with stefl that day 1 NL is better than lycnh because "a day 1 lynch won't get us closer to the mafia guys", and the "odds are against the townspeople". You also like that stefl is assumedly trying to get people to talk, and you're guessing that he's trying to get mafia to slip up. It doesn't seem like you agree with anything I said, and actually side with stefl.

I mean, that's fine, it's your point of view. But you also said the day before that avoiding a day one lynch will be the opposite of stopping the bad guys. ie; no lynch won't get a mafia. You also add that mislynching will hurt whoever lead the lynch.

Also, I believe stefl already told you that while the chances of a "random lynch" do increase tomorrow for finding a mafia, lynching today also gives us an extra lynch depending on circumstances, and 4 chances, even at a slightly worse percentage, is better than 3 at a better percentage.

And in what way am I dangerous?
Oh, you also said you weren't sure which was more dangerous, players who overanalyze at the beginning, or people not saying much. Care to explain who is overanalyzing and what is considered "over the line" for analysis?



Linkzmax said:
miz1q2w3e said:

One of spurge's comments made me look back and read around, and I found this^

I think I feel way better about voting Noctis than Stefl.

Vote: NoCtiS_NoX

I'd definitely appreciate some thoughts, though. I prefer Lynch to NL, and now I prefer Noctis to Stefl.

Was it a specific comment from spurge that made you look at Noctis, or just caused you to reread?

Good find? Mind explaining or would you like Noctis to respond to your vote first?

Nothing specific from spurge, but it did make me look back. It was this post, fyi. As I was re-reading, Noctis' posts seemed like classic mafia "fake participation".

I should note, I'm getting the same vibe from Mr.Playstation: making sure to post, but not really saying anything. See herehere, etc.

It's different from the vibe I'm getting from other, more blatant lurkers, such as XanderXT. I would feel fine about lynching one of them rather than a NoLynch. In order of preference: Mr.P & Noctis (tie), then Xander.