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Who are you voting for?

Hillary Clinton 167 27.93%
 
Donald Trump 185 30.94%
 
Gary Johnson 23 3.85%
 
Jill Stein 21 3.51%
 
Can't vote not old enough 11 1.84%
 
Can't vote out of country 191 31.94%
 
Total:598

Not american but if I were I would have voted for Trump, Since they are both threats in the role of President it's better for there to be someone that never had to do with politics since if he has to do s**t at least he'll need some time to learn how to mess up things, Hilary instead will be ready to ruin everything right away...



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RolStoppable said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

A picture is worth a thousand words.

So how do you interpret this picture?

In all seriousness, I think the funnier interpretation is that candidate Trump doesn't trust his wife to vote for him. The more boring interpretation is that he was checking to see if she was done filling out the ballot so they could get the hell out of there.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Poliwrathlord said:

 


Click the map to create your own at 270toWin.com

 

According to the most recent polls from RCP this is what the electoral map could look like tonight (keep in mind that Trump is only up by .3 points in Florida so that could easily go blue before everything is said and done).

I think NC and FL will go blue. The rest I agree with.

I don't.  The Mormons hate Trump so Utah might actually go with Clinton.  Clinton got a lot of endorsements in Arizona from papers that always endorsed Republicans till this year.  Will that matter in the end?  Probably not but I think that map is too generous to Trump in a few more states.  I can only pray that Ohio (the state I grew up in) doesn't go Trump.



RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

What makes you so sure that it's all marketing? And if it IS marketing, he's actively culticating a misogynistic and racist culture in the states, making it more acceptable to be one or both of those. That in and of it self is not only stupid, but dangerous. The man also boost about how he doesn't pay taxes, and likes to grab women by the pussy.

I can totally agree that things aren't right in the states, and I would mostly blame that on the republicans. Blaming Obama for the past 8 years is bullshit when the republican party have had as much of the failure of the government as he has had. USA have become more and more uneducated and and intolerated, and you wanna put the absolutely ignorant Trump in charge of that?! Trump doesn't have any answers to the problems USA is facing since he doesn't understand them. He think he can run the country as he runs his businesses; poorly.

Having a corrupt, possibly rapist, none-tax-paying, racist in charge of a country that doesn't trust its politicians isn't the answer. Hopefully this'll be a wake up call for BOTH political parties.

I said much is marketing, not all. You are looking at this too much in a black and white context; it's not really dangerous to be politically incorrect and say what a lot of people secretly think. Boasting about not paying taxes isn't something that makes him look bad either. I mean, you could view it that way, but you could also look at it as a negative for Clinton, because she belongs to the political class that allowed rich people like Trump to get away with not paying taxes.

In a previous post in this thread I said that Trump is portrayed as the devil here in Europe. Your description of him reflects that. It feels like it has gotten to the point that Trump as president would mark the end of the world while Clinton in charge would be sort of a savior for merely keeping things as they are. Trump has said (paraphrased), "If the USA has nukes, why don't we use them?" I don't believe that he would use nukes if he became president, but a lot of people just run with these statements as if Trump doesn't have a single clue about what he is doing. I don't buy into that line of thinking. Likewise, I don't believe that Trump would not have countless advisors as a president, so it's not necessary that he is in the know of absolutely everything. The world won't go down in flames if Trump gets elected.

It's not dangerous to be political incorrect and say what people really think?! YES it is! In this case, it really is! I agree with every one else that this "PC"-bullshit has gone too far, but some things you just don't say. Especially as apresidential candidate. Mexicans are rapist. Grabbing women by the pussy is ok. Having "strong leaders", such as dictators, is just fine. He's said a lot of stupid shit, which has made people act out their most inner desires; being bigots and more. Trump calling this election rigged has caused the right winged people to show up to election with guns asking people what they will vote for. No, Rol. What Trump has said has been dangerous. No matter what certain people think. Some times you gotta face these people and say that they are fucking wrong. YOU are wrong in this case. And we both know the foremost reason as to why millionaires and billioniares get away with not paying taxes; the republicans. It started with Reagen and his "trickle down economy", which didn't work.

He has said that he might not come to the aid of NATO members, if they were attacked by Russia. And I believe him, considering the close bonds they seem to share. That for one is a reason why Trump would be ddangerous to the world order we have. He's also said that "why don't Japan and Korea get nukes? why they rely on our nukes? Get yer own nukes". And that is a very dangerous mind set to have; allowing countries to get nukes! That creates an instable world. I don't even think he knows what he'd do if he WAS president, which is another dangferous thing to have! You don't want the most powerful man in the world not knowing what to do or how to do it. You don't even list any reasons as to why you don't think he'd use nukes or destabilize the world. But maybe it's not the world that would suffer the most, but minorities in the states. I also think he's against abortion. How can you possibly defend all of that?



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sethnintendo said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I think NC and FL will go blue. The rest I agree with.

I don't.  The Mormons hate Trump so Utah might actually go with Clinton.  Clinton got a lot of endorsements in Arizona from papers that always endorsed Republicans till this year.  Will that matter in the end?  Probably not but I think that map is too generous to Trump in a few more states.

I would love that if true. But I think AZ and UT are a little too far outside the margin of error. Ohio and Iowa could flip, but I'm not sure about AZ.

But if Clinton is actually around 3 points higher than her current polls, she could take AZ and maybe even something as exotic as Alaska.



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RolStoppable said:
Bandorr said:

So which states would you predict he take to make that come true?

Michigan for sure. Then Illinois because spurgeonryan is representative of that state. And then... hm... Washington.

Trump has not led Michigan once in the past four months of polling.
He doesn't have a prayer in Illinois and even his campaign would tell you that.
Whether you mean Washington DC or Washington State his odds in both are as bad as Illinois.

It's more likely, but still very unlikely, that Clinton would win Texas, Arizona, and Georgia than the predictions above.

I feel confident right now Clinton will win, and I'd be willing to make a wager on the outcome Rol.  Avatar for the month of November? 



RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

It's not dangerous to be political incorrect and say what people really think?! YES it is! In this case, it really is! I agree with every one else that this "PC"-bullshit has gone too far, but some things you just don't say. Especially as apresidential candidate. Mexicans are rapist. Grabbing women by the pussy is ok. Having "strong leaders", such as dictators, is just fine. He's said a lot of stupid shit, which has made people act out their most inner desires; being bigots and more. Trump calling this election rigged has caused the right winged people to show up to election with guns asking people what they will vote for. No, Rol. What Trump has said has been dangerous. No matter what certain people think. Some times you gotta face these people and say that they are fucking wrong. YOU are wrong in this case. And we both know the foremost reason as to why millionaires and billioniares get away with not paying taxes; the republicans. It started with Reagen and his "trickle down economy", which didn't work.

He has said that he might not come to the aid of NATO members, if they were attacked by Russia. And I believe him, considering the close bonds they seem to share. That for one is a reason why Trump would be ddangerous to the world order we have. He's also said that "why don't Japan and Korea get nukes? why they rely on our nukes? Get yer own nukes". And that is a very dangerous mind set to have; allowing countries to get nukes! That creates an instable world. I don't even think he knows what he'd do if he WAS president, which is another dangferous thing to have! You don't want the most powerful man in the world not knowing what to do or how to do it. You don't even list any reasons as to why you don't think he'd use nukes or destabilize the world. But maybe it's not the world that would suffer the most, but minorities in the states. I also think he's against abortion. How can you possibly defend all of that?

I haven't followed everything he said and have paid no attention to the behavior of Trump supporters. *shrugs*

I don't think you can blame the lack of taxes on rich people on the republicans alone when the democrats were in charge numerous periods since then. There was more than enough time to change something since Reagan.

Why should I even bother to defend Trump for everything when I don't even believe half the things he said? Like I said before, a lot of what he said was done for the purpose to get a rise out of people and in turn lots of media coverage.

If you don't know or understand how his statements have effected USA, maybe don't say it isn't dangerous then? He's openly MOCKED a handicapped journalist. Even if he did "marketing" half of the times, that would still leave him ignorant and dangerous would he become president. Some of the comments have lost him voters at times, so I don't think it's marketing at all. Most of the time it's just who he is.

For as long as Obama has been president the majority of congress have been republican, thus thwarting every attempt of raising taxes for the super rich. Warren Buffett (one of THE most richest man alive) even complained that he paid less % in taxes than his employees. I'm not sure if the super rich was taxed most during Bill Clinton's run as president (I'm guessing so, though), but this thought of "trickle down economy" became a fixation with the republicans, so when George HW Bush was elected he made damn sure the super rich had to pay waaaay less taxes. And like I said above, the republicans have pretty much refused to raise them again since.

I didn't ask you to defend Trump, I asked what made YOU belive all the things you've been saying. What makes you believe he's on amarketing campaign? He's said so many stupid things (alienating voters amongst them) that it all can't be marketing.



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RolStoppable said:

I wouldn't even make such a bet regarding the outcome of Bengals@Giants, and I am multiple times more convinced about the outcome of that game than I am about the result of this election.

I don't follow baseball, so I'd shy away form that bet as well.

I was going to be nice by the way, give you a fine Austrian avatar. 



palou said:
Moneybags said:
I'm voting Trump.

I don't claim to know 100% what is really going on with our country.
But from what little I hear and read, our corrupt political and financial system will eventually crash. If this is true we need to stop pretending everything's OK. Our Politicians and the Federal Government need to be held accountable for there actions and we need to stop spending money we don't have.

Trump seemed most likely to do what needs to done; to make the difficult decisions on resetting the trajectory of this nation. I could be wrong but to me, right now he seems like the best choice.

According to conservative (republican-leaning) sources, Trump's financial plan will add significantly more to the debt than Hillary's.

26x the debt Hillary's of Hillary's plan. I understand people don't want a your text book politician in office, but voting for Trump is like going to dentist to have open heart surgery. It's retarded. He's is so beyond clueless it's scary to think he could actually win. 



RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

If you don't know or understand how his statements have effected USA, maybe don't say it isn't dangerous then? He's openly MOCKED a handicapped journalist. Even if he did "marketing" half of the times, that would still leave him ignorant and dangerous would he become president. Some of the comments have lost him voters at times, so I don't think it's marketing at all. Most of the time it's just who he is.

For as long as Obama has been president the majority of congress have been republican, thus thwarting every attempt of raising taxes for the super rich. Warren Buffett (one of THE most richest man alive) even complained that he paid less % in taxes than his employees. I'm not sure if the super rich was taxed most during Bill Clinton's run as president (I'm guessing so, though), but this thought of "trickle down economy" became a fixation with the republicans, so when George HW Bush was elected he made damn sure the super rich had to pay waaaay less taxes. And like I said above, the republicans have pretty much refused to raise them again since.

I didn't ask you to defend Trump, I asked what made YOU belive all the things you've been saying. What makes you believe he's on amarketing campaign? He's said so many stupid things (alienating voters amongst them) that it all can't be marketing.

Yes, I get it. He is the devil. But do people all across America face guys with guns when they go to vote or was that one isolated event?

I don't think the tax issue is worth pursuing further. I am not interested in reading up on it and you don't seem either, judging by your guessing.

What makes me believe that he's been marketing himself is that that is what he has done as a businessman before, the fact that he said so many stupid and contradictory things during his campaign and that he didn't shy away from being the bad guy in the debates with Clinton; he wants to be the bad guy. Alienation of voters does not negate that such actions were done for increased media coverage, because Trump's behavior unsurprisingly came with a polarizing nature. His statements were bound to piss off a lot of people, but in turn they would rally up people who didn't necessarily vote in some of the previous selections. The latter is why Trump could win against the odds and become the primary candidate of the republicans. Most of the polling didn't work because it failed to account for the additional people who were coming to vote. Trump managed to catch the attention of people who didn't give a damn about politics before or stopped caring at some point.

There's been several instances of that from what I've heard. I haven't heard of a democrat appearing threatening towards people, but that might be because I don't follow the "right channels".

Well, it explains why rich people isn't as heavily taxed as others.

So you don't believe he is this kind of person, not really? He's just acting up to get the attention and the votes?



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