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Forums - Sony - Michael Pachter Thinks Lack Of 4K Blu-ray Not Important For PS4 Pro

I was trying to be funny yes.
But the point stands.

I honestly believe people are fine with streaming videos and the quality that is at.
The gains from up in resolution for movies, helps with small details ect, but people just dont care.

Easy of access and price, is makeing 4k blu-rays not catch on.
People rather stream Netflix.

The same isnt true for gameing.
When you render stuff at low resolutions you have to put up with jaggies, shimmering ect.
Theres a bigger visual gain from going up in resolution when gameing.



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pbroy said:

It's not important for PS4 Pro. What is importent though and with PS4 even, is external HDD support.

Nope, not important at all as anyone who only has a PS4 will be more than happy to go out and buy a $400 Sony stand alone UHD Bluray player.  What happened to "It Only Does Everything"?  Now it's "It only Does Somethings".



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m_csquare said:
JRPGfan said:

Movies arnt like games.
1080p doesnt have tons of jaggies vs 4k blu-ray movies.

Theres little benefits to going from dvd/blu-ray to UHD blu-ray (4k).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di1LdgwKl7k

I can guarantee if you post this on any av forum, everyone will laugh at you.

 

4k and hdr are few features that you need to compare directly on TVs. You cant just use recordings or scrcaps to see the difference.

First, you have to be kidding with the YouTube video.  You need a full 4k next to a full 1080p to properly see the differences.  I have a 65” 4k TV and you most certainly can see the difference with movies between 1080p and 4k.  Second, Sony is a major force behind pushing UHD Blu-ray, so it's stupid for the One S to have the capabilities and not the Pro. But not to fret, Sony will be happy to sell you a $400 stand alone UHD Blu-ray player.  What's that old saying about there's one born every minute?!?


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V-r0cK said:
It makes me wonder if Sony knows something about physical movies.

I've walked into two of my local Bestbuy that I haven't in awhile and literally the movie section had shrink 90% down to like 1 aisle. Hardly seeing alot of 4K movies either, their selection is almost limited like Walmart's now.

Or maybe Sony just simply feels that 4K blu rays aren't picking up as fast and would rather wait until it does get bigger before implementing a 4K player into their system.

The reason why the movie isle at BB is down 90% is due in part to the fact that most people rent their movies now.  Those who bought DVD's just to watch them one or twice and then be replaced by Blu-rays a few years later don't want to make the same mistake once UHD Blu-rays take off.



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Pavolink said:
Are options bad now?

"PlayStation, It Only Does Somethings"...



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m_csquare said:
JRPGfan said:

Movies arnt like games.
1080p doesnt have tons of jaggies vs 4k blu-ray movies.

Theres little benefits to going from dvd/blu-ray to UHD blu-ray (4k).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di1LdgwKl7k

I can guarantee if you post this on any av forum, everyone will laugh at you.

 

4k and hdr are few features that you need to compare directly on TVs. You cant just use recordings or scrcaps to see the difference.

Or you could read some reviews from people who watch every quality aspect of a movie for a living.

One of if not the best 4K release so far:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Revenant-4K-Blu-ray/147639/
Does that really sound worth the upgrade, some differences in color grading. The praise for the blu-ray review outshines it (sounds like a bigger differene to the average blu-ray than this to it's 4K release)

And in their HDR reviews it's usually praise followed by stuff that actually looks worse than on blu-ray. This is what bly-ray.com said about Mad Max: Fury road
But the combination of HDR and enhanced resolution is not an unalloyed benefit. Anyone accustomed to watching classic films on Blu-ray should be familiar with the phenomenon in which such staples as matte paintings, rear projection and painted backdrops became obvious, sometimes distractingly so, with the increased sharpness and resolution of 1080p. Something similar happens with certain visual elements in Fury Road. The most common culprit is flame, which frequently accompanies the action, whether as weapon, decoration (notably the Doof-mobile) or the outcome of some spectacular crash. If you watch the extras on the Fury Road Blu-ray, it's obvious that the film's flame effects are a combination of practical and CG, but on the UHD almost every flame looks like a painted cartoon. Just as the enhanced depth and detail are pulling you into the film's ravaged wasteland, the artificiality of these effects pushes you back out. The same is true for the fierce dust storm in which Furiosa first loses her pursuers; in its theatrical and Blu-ray presentation, the storm was convincing and credible, but on UHD one is struck by the obviousness of the computer imagery.

It will obviously get better as cameras, cgi artists and editors get better at handling 4K HDR footage. Yet blu-ray had immediate very visible benefits accross the board, even with the single layer gimped mpeg-2 versions of movies. Doesn't seem to be the case with these early upscaled 4K movies with added HDR effects.

The thing is, most movies are still filmed below 4K, processed in 2K and old movies on 35mm don't benefit much from a 4K release and don't have any HDR capabilities unless added in post processing. Which movie purists usually loath, the slight digital color grading (green tint) of Lotr EE on blu-ray got a lot of hate.

I had hoped the 4K disc format would be more future proof. Actual rec.2020 12 bit 4:4:4 Dolby vision, instead it's DCI P3 10 bit 4:2:0 HDR 10. It's better than blu-ray for sure, yet it also already feels outdated from the start. I blame the failure of HVD. 4K UHD is limited by it's max 100GB discs, that's only double a blu-ray disc, while blu-ray is over 5 times the size of a DVD.

For now there are indeed slight benefits. But sure, if you're going to pay a couple grand for a 4K HDR tv, I would want to see some 4K UHD discs on it too. I bet upscaled blu-ray will look pretty good on those new tvs as well. I'll wait for the HDR dust to settle first.



Pachters's wrong, you have to set the tone with early adopters/enthusiasts, who know what quality is when they fork over big money on 4k tvs etc. Most of these people know a 4k stream is not much better, if at all, than a 1080p bluray. Being a substandard, fairly high priced product undercut by an already successful older sibling, will be hard to rely on the mass market if again the enthusiasts dont buy in.. I also think it was a mistake to pump up faux-k, the pro should be marketed as the ultimate home console, with mandatory 1080p/60 pc asset patches.

With its convoluted message I think PS4 pro will bust, badly, and most will wait for PS5 instead. This thing will not supplant OG PS4. Scorpio is definitely more of a new gen device (based on time, like 360), and will go over much better in the market, and IMO will push Sony. I expect 10+ tflop PS5 the following yr if the pro does in fact flop hard.



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pbroy said:

It's not important for PS4 Pro. What is importent though and with PS4 even, is external HDD support.

Nope, not important at all as anyone who only has a PS4 will be more than happy to go out and buy a $400 Sony stand alone UHD Bluray player.  What happened to "It Only Does Everything"?  Now it's "It only Does Somethings".

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I don't think any of us who were disappointed by the lack of a logical UHD player ever thought or said it would be some big ace in MS's pocket or anything. Personally, yes, I would never buy a console supposedly designed around 4k that cannot even play 4k movies, but that doesn't mean the masses won't.

4k in general isn't a big deal either for the masses.