Interesting! Thanks guys, after the feedback I will probably fix my cat5 socket to the tv / ps4 and hardwire it as before.
I didn't realise the x1 had 5ghtz option.
I don't use WIFI and I don't see why anyone would. Buy one of those powerline adapters they work great I stream blueray movies (30+GB files) using one.
| Bryank75 said: Interesting! Thanks guys, after the feedback I will probably fix my cat5 socket to the tv / ps4 and hardwire it as before. I didn't realise the x1 had 5ghtz option. |
You mean Cat 5e I hope.
Cat 5 usually operates at 100mbps
Cat 5e usually operates at 1gbps
Cat 6 can operate at 10gbps
* All of the referenced speeds are assuming your runs aren't too long, and your cross talk isn't too high. Cat 6 while the best option - is super finicy. Its runs need to be short, the bends minimal, and the cross talk low.
| method114 said: I don't use WIFI and I don't see why anyone would. Buy one of those powerline adapters they work great I stream blueray movies (30+GB files) using one. |
Ethernet over Power is hit or miss. There are SEVERAL factors that affect your performance and they impact them HARD.
1.) Are both devices on the same circuit? Crossing a circuit breaker can really kill your signal.
2.) What type of wiring does your house use? Back in the day they used to use aluminum in electrical wires (and supposedly new houses are using tin) -- the concept is to reduce costs due to copper costs... but the impact is worse ethernet over power (and a slight corrosion on your outlets over a decade or two).
Also, a N or AC wireless connection will almost always provide faster speeds; however, both WiFi and ethernet or power suffer from packet loss.
sabvre42 said:
You mean Cat 5e I hope. Cat 5 usually operates at 100mbps * All of the referenced speeds are assuming your runs aren't too long, and your cross talk isn't too high. Cat 6 while the best option - is super finicy. Its runs need to be short, the bends minimal, and the cross talk low. |
I'll go with 6 so, i think it is a short enough run and straight enough.
| NathObeaN said: I have honestly not heard of such complaints? People complain about 'poor Wi'Fi' because the network connection in general is poor. This is, as Sabvre rightly states, mostly due to internet-induced latency and dropped packets. Having said that, the PS4 supports a 802.11n NIC that only has 2.4GHz capability (compared to XB1 2.4 and 5GHz). I imagine Sony will update this in the future but why it launched single band 2.4GHz is beyond me. They should both ideally support 802.11ac 2x2:2 but hey, we can't have everything right!? I also think the consoles should come with hybrid-SSD drives as standard. As above, selling these separately would just give the manufactures an excuse to rip us off. |
I don't think a simple software update can increase it to 5.0Ghz. I believe that is more like a hardware thing. One is single and the other is dual band. Doesn't that mean 2 antennas vs 1?
| sabvre42 said:
Anyone willing to pay out the ass for a faster wireless NIC, should be willing to/ smart enough to use ethernet.
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Bingo. You can get 150ft Ethernet cords on Amazon for like $40. No wifi will ever be as reliable as this.
Sure, wifi is sexier and creates less clutter; but then you should be willing to sacrifice some reliability. If you want the best gaming experience, just use ethernet.
Prediction for console Lifetime sales:
Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million
[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]
3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m
I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.
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| NathObeaN said: I have honestly not heard of such complaints? People complain about 'poor Wi'Fi' because the network connection in general is poor. This is, as Sabvre rightly states, mostly due to internet-induced latency and dropped packets. Having said that, the PS4 supports a 802.11n NIC that only has 2.4GHz capability (compared to XB1 2.4 and 5GHz). I imagine Sony will update this in the future but why it launched single band 2.4GHz is beyond me. They should both ideally support 802.11ac 2x2:2 but hey, we can't have everything right!? I also think the consoles should come with hybrid-SSD drives as standard. As above, selling these separately would just give the manufactures an excuse to rip us off. |
PS4 (and PS3s) WiFi is total garbage.
That is why I use Powerline adapters
sabvre42 said:
Ethernet over Power is hit or miss. There are SEVERAL factors that affect your performance and they impact them HARD. 1.) Are both devices on the same circuit? Crossing a circuit breaker can really kill your signal. Also, a N or AC wireless connection will almost always provide faster speeds; however, both WiFi and ethernet or power suffer from packet loss. |
1st bold: Can but usually does not. Ive used mine at several different places on totally different sides of the house with 0 issues. Powerline Adapters are AlMOST ALWAYS faster than WiFi. The only thing I have discovered with them is they do not like surge protectors on either one of them
2nd bold: That is not even partly true. Powerline adapters are almost as fast as an ethernet cable on the same circuit and only slightly behind on a different circuit. Both are faster than WiFi
| NathObeaN said: 2.4GHz has a longer wavelength due to the lower frequency which allows the signal to travel futher and through objects easier. 5GHz on the other hand is more susceptabl to attenuation and and does not travel as far. So, 2.4GHz will travel futher than 5GHz. Having said that, there are many more sources of interference on 2.4GHz as opposed to 5GHz which is relevavely clean in comparison. So, if you can get an Access Point(s) that can service your needs in terms of signal strength on 5GHz, it will usually perform better than 2.4GHz. It's also worth noting that newer modulation techniques and performance 'enablers' such as 80-160MHz channels, Explicit Transmit Beamforming, 256QAM etc. only work in 5GHz (802.11ac is 5GHz only). As for your laptop vs. iPhone, the laptop will have a more powerful Wi-Fi adapater. That extra output power can acheieve greater distances (and possibly performance) than your phone. Apple devices actually tend to have fairly decent chipsets. It's simply a matter of your Access Point being too far away from your phone (the laptop is able to compensate). |
Ah makes sense and explains why I don't see any 5Ghz signals from the neighbours next to all their normal wifi signals. I thought I was special :P
2.4ghz is fast enough to out pace my internet speed so I might as well keep the phone on 2.4ghz. I haven't had any problems with interference with the new modem. The old one was touch and go when I put the microwave on. Brilliant move to put wifi on the same frequency!
One thing I don't get from my cable/internet provider. Why are there no ethernet ports on the hdpvr tuner box. That thing should have no problem communicating with the cable modem, over cable... It already communicates directly with the guide and on demand server after all. Heck, it could be an all in one device.
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