I like how because more and more people are coming up with more and more rumors it's ALL true but how would Macron. Know when Nintendo plans on releasing the console? Plus I'm pretty sure Nintendo has contracts on releasing information
I like how because more and more people are coming up with more and more rumors it's ALL true but how would Macron. Know when Nintendo plans on releasing the console? Plus I'm pretty sure Nintendo has contracts on releasing information
burninmylight said: Never said otherwise, and you know I'm not making this up. Of course Steam has plenty of full-price games. There has been what Nintendo considers a major sale going on in the eShops for three weeks now. However, Steam is ridiculous with the amount of full-price and AAA games that go on sale for absolute steals. That's what makes it so popular. People are much more willing to give up the option for physical and accept DRM for bargains. Meanwhile, here's what's going on with the eShop right now:
Wii U eShop
3DS eShop
These sales are OK, but they aren't "OMG DROP EVERYTHING AND BUY!!" good. They aren't, "YOU CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO TAKE THIS OFFER!!" good. They aren't, "YES, I WILL GLADLY TAKE A DIGITAL ONLY CONSOLE FOR THOSE PRICES!!" good. If you scroll down to the comment section, you will find most of the readership disappointed in them. Those type of sales won't cut it for a digital-only console. Like I said, you can't compare $1 smartphone games to $40-60 console games.
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That's a very fair point. While I think that My Nintendo will make up for this lack of comparable sales, I really don't think that price disparity is as much as an issue as you do. Most of the games that are full price are Nintendo 1st party games that most people buy full price anyway. It really just depends on how you value games and what you can afford. It makes Nintendo no difference if you refuse to buy Mario Kart 8 digitally for $60 just because you can buy it used for $30. Nintendo's still making $0 on that. The game is still worth $60, whether you want to like it or not. The box, paper, and disk are worth cents. You're paying for the experience, not the box. Nintendo games are expensive regardless, and that's never changing, physical or digital. They have an almost political opinion of the subject, fearing the devaluing of games and pointing to the music industry as an omen.
Third parties are much better about having eshop sales though. Atlus and Capcom regularly have flash sales that absolutely are comparable to Steam sales, and so does Ubisoft. That's just off the top of my head, too. Same with price drops. Very few of the games I own were bought at full price, and I'm all digital.
That's not saying that I don't think they should improve the sales, because they should, but I don't think it's an issue that will decide if an all digital platform from them will flop or not.
PerturbedKitty said: And you want them to stop providing a format that people want... for what? lol you've got to be kidding me. People want physical media and you want them to stop supplying it because people just aren't fount to adopt it until these companies kill it artificially. That's just stupid. Why would anybody argue this? Honestly, I believe there will ALWAYS be a market for physical media.
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I don't want anything. You having physical doesn't effect my enjoyment of digital. I'm just looking at what Nintendo has been saying. They want to stop providing a physical format, and they have a good reason to. Physical doesn't make any sense with the type of platform they've gone on record saying they intend to make. Physical work at all with what they've described My Nintendo to be.
That last bit is flat out not happening. Once the XBO and PS4 are aged out and the NX proves all digital works for consoles, physical is 100% dead.
spemanig said:
I don't want anything. You having physical doesn't effect my enjoyment of digital. I'm just looking at what Nintendo has been saying. They want to stop providing a physical format, and they have a good reason to. Physical doesn't make any sense with the type of platform they've gone on record saying they intend to make. Physical work at all with what they've described My Nintendo to be. That last bit is flat out not happening. Once the XBO and PS4 are aged out and the NX proves all digital works for consoles, physical is 100% dead. |
Having a unified platform doesn't mean that it HAS to be all digital. Nintendo does like offering digital, but if a lot of their consumers like physical, why wouldn't they supply that? And isn't Reggie on record saying that there will always be a place for physical format, or something to that effect? I think nintendo recognize that their fanbase especially likes physical products.
And as for that last bit, we will just have to wait and see. Music has been digital for years, but they still sell physical CDs. I can see games being handled in a similar way. People will always like physical products, and I can see why.
PerturbedKitty said: Having a unified platform doesn't mean that it HAS to be all digital. Nintendo does like offering digital, but if a lot of their consumers like physical, why wouldn't they supply that? And isn't Reggie on record saying that there will always be a place for physical format, or something to that effect? I think nintendo recognize that their fanbase especially likes physical products. And as for that last bit, we will just have to wait and see. Music has been digital for years, but they still sell physical CDs. I can see games being handled in a similar way. People will always like physical products, and I can see why. |
Having a unified platform in the way Nintendo has described it with the features they've described does.
Reggie said there would always be a physical thing. Never said anything about physical media. I think it will be NFC cards you can buy at stores with download codes for games. Still a physical thing. Nothing with the game's data on it. Basically just amiibo to unlock the game on your system.
Music isn't anchored to hardware like games are. The reason Adele can release an album on CD tomorrow is because 100 different companies are still making CD players that have not changed since the 80s. There are only 3 console manufacturers by comparison, and they only support their latest hardware platforms. If someone makes a game in 10 years, they can't release it on the PS4, because it will be obsolete. They are restricted by the platforms of the modern day.
In order for Adele to not be able to make a CD profitably, someone would have to literally burn every single on of the unquestionably billions of CD players that have been made in the last 30 years, including DVD players that support that functionality and the like, and then stop hundreds, if not thousands of companies from ever making any new ones. On the other hand, in order to stop a game dev from making a physical console game profitably, all you'd have to do is get three companies to not provide a disk/cart slot next generation. That's it. Physical dead. That easy. The music industry has a thousand alternatives who all use the same exact data format. The console market has three who use three different formats.
JEMC said:
Well, it's not "easy" to pick up THAT processor and remove the parts you don't want, but AMD could develop a "simple", reference based processor based on those same A57 chips for Nintendo. |
It's posible but unlikely for this year as AMD are apparently conscentrating on ZEN first.
Hiku said:
with both physical and digital games being made available. |
Absolutely beautiful points you made in this post. Nothing will get through to this guy though. He has been pushing this narrative forever.
Regardless, very good read. I enjoyed it thoroughly
spemanig said:
Having a unified platform in the way Nintendo has described it with the features they've described does. Reggie said there would always be a physical thing. Never said anything about physical media. I think it will be NFC cards you can buy at stores with download codes for games. Still a physical thing. Nothing with the game's data on it. Basically just amiibo to unlock the game on your system. Music isn't anchored to hardware like games are. The reason Adele can release an album on CD tomorrow is because 100 different companies are still making CD players that have not changed since the 80s. There are only 3 console manufacturers by comparison, and they only support their latest hardware platforms. If someone makes a game in 10 years, they can't release it on the PS4, because it will be obsolete. They are restricted by the platforms of the modern day. In order for Adele to not be able to make a CD profitably, someone would have to literally burn every single on of the unquestionably billions of CD players that have been made in the last 30 years, including DVD players that support that functionality and the like, and then stop hundreds, if not thousands of companies from ever making any new ones. On the other hand, in order to stop a game dev from making a physical console game profitably, all you'd have to do is get three companies to not provide a disk/cart slot next generation. That's it. Physical dead. That easy. The music industry has a thousand alternatives who all use the same exact data format. The console market has three who use three different formats. |
Personally, I don't think reggie would be that cryptic. I think he was using simple language that we would understand. He knows there is a conversation about physical vs digital and when you take what he said in thay context, it's very clear he is talking about physical media.
I understand your point about CDs vs games, but ihonestly don't think that's why CDs still sell. why are people still buying CDs? Its because they prefer physical media. Simple as that.
PerturbedKitty said:
Personally, I don't think reggie would be that cryptic. I think he was using simple language that we would understand. He knows there is a conversation about physical vs digital and when you take what he said in thay context, it's very clear he is talking about physical media. I understand your point about CDs vs games, but ihonestly don't think that's why CDs still sell. why are people still buying CDs? Its because they prefer physical media. Simple as that. |
Wait, do people still actually buy CDs though? Genuinely curious about this. I wouldn't even know where to buy a CD nowadays lol
SJReiter said:
Wait, do people still actually buy CDs though? Genuinely curious about this. I wouldn't even know where to buy a CD nowadays lol |
Walmart, Target, Best Buy, etc......some of the biggest retailers and basically any store with an electronics department. Like Hiku said earlier, 2015 was the first year where digital revenue overtook physical revenue for music albums.
When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.