I'm not trying to slight Bush's many fuckups over the past 8 years, but Clinton had the benefit of the tech & internet boom of the 90s to make him look good and the economy was faltering when he left office. Bush walked into a pretty bad situation when he was elected and 9/11 only made it worse.

But Bush is still a moron.

 Can you back any of this up?  A fiscal conservative?  Are you serious, name some policies that he stood for that represents this.  Have you forgotten universal healthcare?  That is about as far from fiscally conservative as you can get.  Come on and NAME something, not generalities rooted in foolishness.

Obama sounds so much like Osama lol.
Anyway how would the world view the USA if it was led by a woman President? The Middle East countries would find this extremely difficult and might not take her seriously as a leader. We all know how poorly Middle Eastern countries treat women. Lots of novels and films portray the barbaric treatment of women in Middle Eastern countries.

I don't see the woman factor as a negative thing, I just don't like HER...! Hillary Clinton is as corrupt and inept a leader as they come in America. If we had a candidate like Margaret Thatcher, I would vote for her in a NY Minute.

Is it just me or are there a bunch of gross exaggerations about Muslims and their beliefs on this board lately?

Let's try not to lump all Muslims in the "I'm crazy, gonna Jihad your ass" group, people. Refer to extremists specifically, don't group an entire religion based on the beliefs of a few crazy motherfuckers.

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I can't believe that, in a round-about way, I'm defending a religion. Shame on me.

Rocketpig +2 for respect towards a religion!

I should have clarified:

"In comparison to Bush, he's a fiscally conservative Republican". That's what I meant.

PS. Don't even fucking try to infer that my beliefs are rooted in foolishness. If you want me to list some of McCain's policies, I can and will, but I expect people to be able to Gee-Oh-Oh-Gee-Ell-Ee that shit themselves.

No way, Kusinich or Gravel would be the most liberal people in the senate, not Obama.

 In responce to the topic, I'll be voting for Obama or Hillary (preferably Obama). I doubt I'll ever vote for a republican, especially after having 8 years of Bush in office..

Based on voting records, Obama was rated the furthest left. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

That is the stupidest argument I have ever heard. Only people who hate freedom are kings and other types dicatoral of rulers. So if you were to say that Bin Laden, extremist leadership, Islamic council in Iran, various muslim dictators, etc hate freedoms then yes, it conflicts with their rule. But to say that Muslims as a whole hate freedom and in specific, ours and that is why we are attacked is just dumb Bush logic, the same logic that conviced all you religious zealots who voted for his ignorant ass that Saddam was a huge worldwide threat amassing tons of weapons to take us over...bleh.

Bin Laden and others don't use our freedoms as ways to pursuade the ignorant to extremist actions. He uses the dire conditions in the Middle East, Palestine; and then uses the US as a focal point of blame for the tyranny of their dictators and Israel. Granted, we the US, do share a lot of that blame. As we spend a lot of money and arms to help keep these dictators and especially Israel powerful.

But, I garauntee you our freedoms are no where near the list of greivances the extremist uses to gain support.