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zorg1000 said:

From what I understand, they think releasing digital titles at a lower price than retail versions of the same game devalues them, for example u won't see them release a game for $60 retail but with a $40 digital version. However, if they go with an all digital platform like u speculate they are, than that no longer becomes an issue since they aren't devaluing anything.

We have seen them do this already to a small degree with some games, Mario vs Donkey Kong used to be a $30 retail release back on GBA/DS but this generation it has become a $15 digital only series. Other games like Pushmo/Crashmo/Dilllon's Rolling Western/Dr. Luigi are games that they would have sold for $30 retail back in the day but are instead only $15 because they are digital only.

I think if they do go all digital than its possible that software becomes more affordable regardless of the new membership program.


While that's a good point, I think they'll still make the comparison to other consoles offering the $60 products.

Don't get me wrong, I do think there will be a lot of lower priced games, I just don't think the new ceiling price will be $40 or something like some people are demanding in the nearly certain event that they go all digital. That's not happening. The next big Zelda and the next big Metroid will almost certainly still be $60. That's what I was specifically trying to address.



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zorg1000 said:

No man, PSP Go failing is undeniable proof that people don't want digital only hardware, just like the MPMan failing in 1998 was proof that people  didn't want to listen to music on a digital only device.


The iPod was successful because Apple edited an inaudible hypnosis tone into every song you download, tricking people into thinking that digital was alright.



spemanig said:
Nintyfan90 said:

Common sense? Common sense should tell you there's a big difference between distributing music/books digitally and video games...yet you still believe it will be fully digital.


No, common sense tells me the exact opposite, which is why it worked so well when Steam did it.


Steam fills very well the digital part of PC gaming market, but it can't replace physical market where connection speed is still low, and about this telcos are very clear, they won't ever invest more on broadband in scarcely populated areas, without governments investments countryside and some suburban areas will remain stuck to low speed, 640kbps if they're lucky in the country, less than 10Mbps in the suburbs. Even in the towns there still will be areas cut out of broadband, in my alley we remained out of the new fiber lines in the 90's and it will be the same even in the next years, unless we pay personally the works plus the obscenely high daily taxes the municipality charges on private citizens to dig public roads, even the smallest and worst served ones (there's just one reduced fee to dig up to ONE square meter for just ONE day, and it's still around 100 euros, it's barely enough if the plumber must repair a leak in the trait of your water pipe in public soil between the water meter and your property). Fully digital delivered contents devices will have to give up large parts of potential markets for another twenty years, because if so many badly served areas won't be reached by broadband even during this phase of major infrastructure works, they'll have to wait for the next one, in between only a small part will be reached if some lines will have to be replaced because they totally rotted.
Forget wireless connections, in most countries just downloading one game (a PC or console-sized game, that is, not tens MB-sized mobile games) would consume more than the monthly traffic available with most typical contracts, and some providers give extra no limits traffic, not accounted for in the general purpose traffic limit, only for subscribers of pay TV streaming services, and it's usable only for that purpose.



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spemanig said:
Nintyfan90 said:

Yep and failed with PSP Go... which is traditional gaming hardware and not just a service.


The PSP Go isn't indicative of anything. It wasn't a new product, and the NX is a platform, not "traditional gaming hardware." Plus, digital only isn't why the PSP Go failed.

And neither is steam, yet you tried to use it as proof because it fits your agenda. The fact that you provided nothing for your reasoning for why steam counts but psp go does not, I wouldn't care your excuses regardless. NX isn't traditional hardware is also hilarious, whether its portable, home or both...its still traditional hardware. Unless you think Nintys gonna release a smartphone that plays ninty games.



spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

From what I understand, they think releasing digital titles at a lower price than retail versions of the same game devalues them, for example u won't see them release a game for $60 retail but with a $40 digital version. However, if they go with an all digital platform like u speculate they are, than that no longer becomes an issue since they aren't devaluing anything.

We have seen them do this already to a small degree with some games, Mario vs Donkey Kong used to be a $30 retail release back on GBA/DS but this generation it has become a $15 digital only series. Other games like Pushmo/Crashmo/Dilllon's Rolling Western/Dr. Luigi are games that they would have sold for $30 retail back in the day but are instead only $15 because they are digital only.

I think if they do go all digital than its possible that software becomes more affordable regardless of the new membership program.


While that's a good point, I think they'll still make the comparison to other consoles offering the $60 products.

Don't get me wrong, I do think there will be a lot of lower priced games, I just don't think the new ceiling price will be $40 or something like some people are demanding in the nearly certain event that they go all digital. That's not happening. The next big Zelda and the next big Metroid will almost certainly still be $60. That's what I was specifically trying to address.

Ya I can see that too, games with very large budgets or games that are guaranteed to be multi-million sellers still retailing for the higher price which I would really like to see go back down to $50 like in the Wii days, I think having lower priced software than PS3/360 helped a lot during that generation.



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'If that was t̶h̶e̶ ̶X̶B̶1̶  my console of choice you'd all be complaining'


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SpokenTruth said:

Right.  Becuse a 4 MB download and 40 GB download are the same market.


It is to Steam. Will be for the NX, too.



SpokenTruth said:
spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

No man, PSP Go failing is undeniable proof that people don't want digital only hardware, just like the MPMan failing in 1998 was proof that people  didn't want to listen to music on a digital only device.


The iPod was successful because Apple edited an inaudible hypnosis tone into every song you download, tricking people into thinking that digital was alright.

Right.  Becuse a 4 MB download and 40 GB download are the same market.


There were 40 GB downloads for the PSP? Also, it should be painfully obvious that the PSP Go's price point and the high profile titles missing from PSN held it back.



I know it's off-topic but I think one thing that helped Steam was the 360 using DVDs instead of HD-DVD or Blu-ray. This helped keep file sizes of games reasonably low(less than 9GB) as a standard whereas now games come in at the 40-45GB mark.

Had games been such a large size it might have hurt some appetite for digital distribution. Keep in mind that download speeds back around 360's launch were nowhere near as good as they are now.



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