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Zekkyou said:
Samus Aran said:
Zekkyou said:

I expect so did some reviewers. That doesn't say much as to whether their metascore's are accurate or not though, at least within a reasonable range. Stand alone opinions don't mean much to a generalized view point after all.

I expect that the vast majority of gamers liked those games better than Bayonetta 2 and Rayman Legends.

10-15 points difference isn't reasonable at all. Even Disney Infinity 3.0 scored better than those 3 games despite most content being locked behind expensive plastic toys. I guess Disney pays more for ads.

Even if we ignore how silly it is to try and argue against the validity of generalized scores based on nothing but what an individual 'expects', unless you believe that all games are reviewed with the same audience in mind, that argument is redundant anyway. Zelda consistently out reviews CoD, yet i 'expect' the majority would rather play the latter.

I was talking about people who played all or most of the games I mentioned. I've seen polls on plenty of different forums and never once did Rayman Legends get many votes for best 2D platformer this generation. And I'm sure many Wii U owners consider Splatoon to be one of the best Wii U games despite it being so relatively "low" on the metacritic ranking.

As for CoD, it's on a much bigger userbase and has a much bigger marketing budget. Besides, sales can only be compared when the games in question are of a similar genre, are on the same console(s) and have a similar marketting budget. And yes, people who's favorite genre are FPS will prefer CoD over Zelda.

The point is that critics aren't representative for the normal gaming audience. Critics might love Bayonetta 2, but I can assure you most people aren't into a game like that. Even if you gave it a huge marketting budget it wouldn't sell well.

Far too much importance is given to metacritic on gaming forums. I've seen people argue that a certain game was worse than another because it scored 2 points less. Can you believe that?



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Samus Aran said:
Zekkyou said:

Even if we ignore how silly it is to try and argue against the validity of generalized scores based on nothing but what an individual 'expects', unless you believe that all games are reviewed with the same audience in mind, that argument is redundant anyway. Zelda consistently out reviews CoD, yet i 'expect' the majority would rather play the latter.

I was talking about people who played all or most of the games I mentioned. I've seen polls on plenty of different forums and never once did Rayman Legends get many votes for best 2D platformer this generation.

As for CoD, it's on a much bigger userbase and has a much bigger marketing budget. Besides, sales can only be compared when the games in question are of a similar genre, are on the same console(s) and have a similar marketting budget.

The point is that critics aren't representative for the normal gaming audience. Critics might love Bayonetta 2, but I can assure you most people aren't into a game like that. Even if you gave it a huge marketting budget it wouldn't sell well.

Which is completely irrelevant to the validity of a metascore. Games are (at least for the most part) reviewed with their target audience in mind. Does Bayonetta 2 scoring higher than Yoshi mean it's inherently better? No, but it does mean that at least on a limited generalized scale, it is better to its target audience. That certainly seems to have been the case with those two, at from what I've seen on VGC.

Stuff like MC and GR provide targeted generalizations. No more, no less. If 100 critics say [x] is great, and [x] is the type of game i like, then it's pretty likely i'll also think it's great. Not always, there will always be variance with such things (especially when dealing with relatively small sample sizes), but frequently enough for me to value it as a view point i can't, as an individual, properly see through.

I think we'd see a lot less bickering about stuff like metacritic (and a lot less silly comparisons) if people took a moment to consider what the data actually represents, and that it doesn't exist on a singular field.

Anyway, i'm going to call it quits here. I think this is the 4th or 5th time I've had this discussion on VGC, so needless to say i'm somewhat bored of it. You'd think i'd have learnt not to bother by now



You should email Metacritic, and tell them you can't play or enjoy the game until the rating goes up.



Roronaa_chan said:
It's already too high low anyway





I am Iron Man

Mirson said:

You should email Metacritic, and tell them you can't play or enjoy the game until the rating goes up.


LOL



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Zekkyou said:

Which is completely irrelevant to the validity of a metascore. Games are (at least for the most part) reviewed with their target audience in mind.

That rarely happens and you know it. DKC: TF got lower scores because it wasn't seen as ambitious enough for Retro Studios and that it wasn't Metroid. That GS review says a lot ("unimaginative level design, too hard, etc."

The game's main critique point from a lot of people, critics and fanboys alike, was that this game was a 2D platformer. From what I've seen on forums and polls (with plenty of votes) this is considered the best 2D platformer of this generation.

Does Bayonetta 2 scoring higher than Yoshi mean it's inherently better? No, but it does mean that at least on a limited generalized scale, it is better to its target audience. That certainly seems to have been the case with those two, at from what I've seen on VGC.

Does Bayonetta 2 share the same target audience as GoW? Why does that game sell better then? (the answer is obvious: Greek mythology is much more desirable than what ever the fuck Bayonetta is supposed to be). But yeah, I shouldn't really be comparing Yoshi's Woolly World to a hack & slash game, so just ignore that part.

Stuff like MC and GR provide targeted generalizations. No more, no less. If 100 critics say [x] is great, and [x] is the type of game i like, then it's pretty likely i'll also think it's great. Not always, there will always be variance with such things (especially when dealing with relatively small sample sizes), but frequently enough for me to value it as a view point i can't, as an individual, properly see through.

But they target a very flawed group of people.

- Review sites accept money from the companies they review games on. It's only fair that I question their integrity then.  They aren't neutral. This is what we call conflict of interest. It's like reading Caesar's Bello Gallico without questioning why Caesar wrote it: propaganda material for the senator's at Rome. It's hardly an objective piece of literature.

- Metacritic works with weighted averages: some sites are considered more important than others. It just so happens that the same company that owns GS also owns Metacritic... Guess which review site has the most importance according to Metacritic? Again, conflict of interest...

- Some of the sites they include in their database are rather questionable...

- Some review sites use extremely high or extremely low scores to increase the traffic on their site. It happens frequently. Because it sadly works. As source material metacritic/review sites are rather useless. And since evaluating and analysing all kinds of sources is what I've been doing for the past 5 years I think I know what I'm talking about!

I think we'd see a lot less bickering about stuff like metacritic (and a lot less silly comparisons) if people took a moment to consider what the data actually represents, and that it doesn't exist on a singular field.

I did just that which is why I'm against it being used so often on gaming forums.

Anyway, i'm going to call it quits here. I think this is the 4th or 5th time I've had this discussion on VGC, so needless to say i'm somewhat bored of it. You'd think i'd have learnt not to bother by now

Don't worry, you don't have to respond to this, I've said anything I wanted to say anyway. :p