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Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.

The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.

The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.

This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said. It's not known exactly how sarin breaks down, but no matter how degraded the agent is, it's still toxic.

"Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."

Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."

"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of the most important tasks servicemembers in the country perform.

Maples added searches are ongoing for chemical weapons beyond those being conducted solely for force protection.

There has been a call for a complete declassification of the National Ground Intelligence Center's report on WMD in Iraq. Maples said he believes the director of national intelligence is still considering this option, and has asked Maples to look into producing an unclassified paper addressing the subject matter in the center's report.

Much of the classified matter was slated for discussion in a closed forum after the open hearings this morning.




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totalwar23 said:
kazadoom said:
phil said:
kazadoom said:
 
So all the democrats that believed the same evidence just all took his word on it. Give me a break, it is the congress' job to look into stuff just like it is the president's. Plus, if you think that there were no weapons, then you are crazy. Sadam was just some innocent man sitting over there running a clean country with nothing going on behind the scenes. Oh how naive you must be.

 


You are now burdened with the responsibility of proving that there actually were WMD in Iraq or looking like a total jackass. Congrats.

My money is on jackass, btw.


Here is something for you. This was from an official report in 2003

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

 


 Santorum, are you kidding me?

 And those weapons are not WMDs.


 If they took pictures and sent them to you, you would not believe they were real.  You have you mind made up on clouded hatred and misguided information.  You have what you think is true and will not accept evidence contrary to your belief and that is fine.  You have the right to be wrong



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3718150.stm

Report concludes no WMD in Iraq

Saddam Hussein had used chemical weapons in the past
Iraq had no stockpiles of biological, chemical or nuclear weapons before last year's US-led invasion, the chief US weapons inspector has concluded.

Iraq Survey Group head Charles Duelfer said Iraq's nuclear capability had decayed not grown since the 1991 war.

But in a 1,000-page report his group said Saddam Hussein intended to resume production of banned weapons when UN sanctions were lifted.

The US and UK used allegations of Iraqi WMDs as a key reason for going war.


It is also clear that there was every intention on Saddam's part to develop weapons and that he did not have any intention of complying with the UN resolutions
Tony Blair
UK Prime Minister
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But despite the lack of actual weapons, the White House said the report showed Saddam Hussein's intent and capability and justifies the decision to go to war.

Democrats, on the other hand, used the report to attack the Bush administration, claiming the president misled the American people.

UK Prime Minister Tony Blair said that while he now accepted that Iraq held no stockpiles of WMD ready to be deployed at the time of the invasion, the report showed that UN sanctions had not been working.

Key findings in the report:

* "The ISG has not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003, but [there is] the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq, although not of a militarily significant capability."

* "There is an extensive, yet fragmentary and circumstantial body of evidence suggesting that Saddam pursued a strategy to maintain a capability to return to WMD after sanctions were lifted... "

* "The problem of discerning WMD in Iraq is highlighted by the pre-war misapprehensions of weapons which were not there. Distant technical analysts mistakenly identified evidence and drew incorrect conclusions."



kazadoom said:
totalwar23 said:
kazadoom said:
phil said:
kazadoom said:
 
So all the democrats that believed the same evidence just all took his word on it. Give me a break, it is the congress' job to look into stuff just like it is the president's. Plus, if you think that there were no weapons, then you are crazy. Sadam was just some innocent man sitting over there running a clean country with nothing going on behind the scenes. Oh how naive you must be.

 


You are now burdened with the responsibility of proving that there actually were WMD in Iraq or looking like a total jackass. Congrats.

My money is on jackass, btw.


Here is something for you. This was from an official report in 2003

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

 


Santorum, are you kidding me?

And those weapons are not WMDs.


If they took pictures and sent them to you, you would not believe they were real. You have you mind made up on clouded hatred and misguided information. You have what you think is true and will not accept evidence contrary to your belief and that is fine. You have the right to be wrong


 I guess that means the chief US weapons inspector is also filled with clouded hate and misguided information.



totalwar23 said:
 

Well, that's not going to happen, because if McCain's elected, we'll be there for 100 years.

Now, Saddam, he handled sectarian violence by killing everyone who disagreed which plays an integral role in the ethnic problems we have today in Iraq. Secondly, we have no way of knowing what will exactly happen. The people in that region are morel likely to listen to their spiritual leaders than to the government itself. I could say that civil war might break out after the US leaves and they'll end up partition the country into 3 parts, each creating three different stable democratic government, ones that the majority of each populace will want instead the crappy one they have today, which can't seem to do anything.


No it doesn't.  Those issues are largely tribal and sectarian.  The history of the Middle East and Muslim Central Asia is riddled with this sort of thing.  The only time Iraq has ever remained functioning is when they had an autocratic system governing.



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Kasz216 said:

 

They were already headed towards massive economic problems that would of likely felled their country before Reagan even restarted the war. He just restarted it to push them off the ledge. (Or to try and push them over the edge if you think it had no effect.)

 


 I'm in agreement with you there.  Where I disagree is when you say that it's impossible for a communist state to work and that they'll all eventually collapse.



phil said:
fkusumot said:
 

What Kasz216 said is not absolute nonsense. It's was one of the major issues of practical political science as it related to the ideal socialistic state. It's been an issue since Das Kapital was written. Are you being purposefully ignorant of the history of political science or are you just being obtuse?


No. He said a real life practical non pure communist state couldn't possibly work, because a theoretical pure communist state can't possibly work. I'm not the one being obtuse. Here's my point: the idea that the fall of the Soviet Union was, or that the fall of any communist nation is inevitable is absurd.

Okay. Point taken.

kazadoom said:
 

Here is something for you. This was from an official report in 2003

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

 


 Jesus fucking Christ. Quit while you're ahead. This is your evidence? Holy mother of fucking god, why hasn't the liberal press reported this earth shattering news!



fkusumot said:
kazadoom said:
 

Here is something for you. This was from an official report in 2003

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

 


Jesus fucking Christ. Quit while you're ahead. This is your evidence? Holy mother of fucking god, why hasn't the liberal press reported this earth shattering news!


 Please no blasphemy...



 

 

 

El Duderino said:
fkusumot said:
 

Jesus fucking Christ. Quit while you're ahead. This is your evidence? Holy mother of fucking god, why hasn't the liberal press reported this earth shattering news!


Please no blasphemy...


Did you mean the "Jesus fucking Christ" part? Or does your definition of blasphemy include any type of profanity?