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Ruler said:
Nymeria said:
Part of it may have to do that first home videos were major downgrade from source material. The aspect ratio and video quality left a lot to be desired, but hey I could watch Ghostbusters when ever I wanted on the TV with a VCR. Blu Ray is the first medium that preserves source material so you get the experience as intended without compromise, especially if you have a huge TV and nice sound system.


Same story with games because they used to run on progressive scan


That makes sense for arcade or PC games that were ported and down graded, but for example console specific titles were made for their hardware.  When playing Super Metroid I never wished it looked better because that was the definitive version of it.  I guess these days many people may look at consoles through PC lens of wanting 1080p/60fps so fair point there Ruler.



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MoHasanie said:
But we don't really see remasters of recent movies whilst we see remasters of games that are only a year old.

During the dvd generation there were superbit collections, now we have mastered in 4k rereleases.
Director's cut and extended versions are a regular occurance.

Plus now we have all the complete edition re-releases for the movies that get split up in parts.
I waited for the hobbit trilogy to come out as that was bound to happen anyway. No point in buying the seperate movies. Now the extended editions are coming out seperatly first, with likely an extended trilogy to follow afterwards.



Ruler said:
SvennoJ said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
I don't think movies have escaped the wrath either. It' usually called double/triple dipping and frowned upon.

The double dip complaints are directed more towards the different editions on the same format, director's cut, extended edition, superbit collection, mastered in 4k. Which ironically gamers don't have any problem with, namely the goty editions with extras and included dlc.

I've replaced more than 50 of my DVDs with blu-ray over the years. The extra detail and clarity is well worth the price to me.

Btw funny how nobody complaints lots of movies are 'remastered' on digital services and sold for near full price (at a much lower quality) Yet when last gens disc based games get a remastered digital release its no good.


There are some differences of course.

35mm film is far superior than what dvd can show, remastering on blu-ray finally gives you the version as was shown in cinemas.
Games were made with the target resolution in mind, so while it looks better in HD, you don't get a lot more detail.


Which is probably why simple remasters are considered lazy and remakes applauded.
However with movies, altering the source material is a big no no. A slight color timing correction between lotr normal and extended edition had the fans up in arms. And the few changes to Star Wars on blu-ray are universally hated.

While altering the picture is taboo, upgrading the sound to 5.1 or 7.1 is usually appreciated for old movies.
For games, do they touch up the sound? Nobody ever speaks of sound quality in games :/


Anyway the root of the problem is probably this.
Any game anyone is working on that you're not interested in, is by definition bad. Since that means they're not working on something for you.

Yeah but 60 frames? also a lot of the older console run their games in 480i like the ps2 so a remastered game from that era is rendered in progressive scan which makes it a huge difference 

And movies go to true 24fps instead of using interlaced 3:2 pulldown filter for 30 fps (60i), or running 4% faster for 25fps (50i)
ps2 games could run in 480p btw, but sure they get big benefits as well. However many were made to look good on CRT tvs, which is something the remasters can't replicate. That's also why a remaster is most beneficial for those as running a console designed for CRT on an LCD screen looks pretty bad.

The benefits are the same from sub 720p sub 30fps to 1080p60, GTA5 on ps3 and ps4 is a huge difference. Yet you didn't miss any detail in the ps3 version, while with a dvd movie you had the choice of pan & scan or letterbox. Both not able to show all the detail that went into making the movie.




SvennoJ said:
Ruler said:
SvennoJ said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
I don't think movies have escaped the wrath either. It' usually called double/triple dipping and frowned upon.

The double dip complaints are directed more towards the different editions on the same format, director's cut, extended edition, superbit collection, mastered in 4k. Which ironically gamers don't have any problem with, namely the goty editions with extras and included dlc.

I've replaced more than 50 of my DVDs with blu-ray over the years. The extra detail and clarity is well worth the price to me.

Btw funny how nobody complaints lots of movies are 'remastered' on digital services and sold for near full price (at a much lower quality) Yet when last gens disc based games get a remastered digital release its no good.


There are some differences of course.

35mm film is far superior than what dvd can show, remastering on blu-ray finally gives you the version as was shown in cinemas.
Games were made with the target resolution in mind, so while it looks better in HD, you don't get a lot more detail.


Which is probably why simple remasters are considered lazy and remakes applauded.
However with movies, altering the source material is a big no no. A slight color timing correction between lotr normal and extended edition had the fans up in arms. And the few changes to Star Wars on blu-ray are universally hated.

While altering the picture is taboo, upgrading the sound to 5.1 or 7.1 is usually appreciated for old movies.
For games, do they touch up the sound? Nobody ever speaks of sound quality in games :/


Anyway the root of the problem is probably this.
Any game anyone is working on that you're not interested in, is by definition bad. Since that means they're not working on something for you.

Yeah but 60 frames? also a lot of the older console run their games in 480i like the ps2 so a remastered game from that era is rendered in progressive scan which makes it a huge difference 

And movies go to true 24fps instead of using interlaced 3:2 pulldown filter for 30 fps (60i), or running 4% faster for 25fps (50i)
ps2 games could run in 480p btw, but sure they get big benefits as well. However many were made to look good on CRT tvs, which is something the remasters can't replicate. That's also why a remaster is most beneficial for those as running a console designed for CRT on an LCD screen looks pretty bad.

The benefits are the same from sub 720p sub 30fps to 1080p60, GTA5 on ps3 and ps4 is a huge difference. Yet you didn't miss any detail in the ps3 version, while with a dvd movie you had the choice of pan & scan or letterbox. Both not able to show all the detail that went into making the movie.


That only counts for 2D games but upscaled in progressive scan looks just as good, its a mater for preference but 3D games have to be displayed on lcd



ArchangelMadzz said:
Nem said:
games = 60$/€ +

movies = 15-20$/€

Totally different purchase decision. The more you pay, the more value you must see to justify the investment.


Games are $60 as they usually take longer to make than a movie and provide FAR more content. So it doesn't really affect the argument, it's all about re-releasing for the original price with improvements. Movies get away with it alot, with unrated versions, directors cuts etc. I can bet you the dev time for a remaster of a game is a lot longer than a movie. 


But, the only reason they get away with it is because they are different purchase decisions. Its nothing alike... despite opinions here who say that its the same or have their own justification for the videogame remasters. It clearly isnt. The purchase of a movie is more of an impulse buy than a videogame. That is completely because of the price difference.



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In relation to games remaster is just a prettier word for port



CWegzz said:
As long as a video game didn't just come out, I'm fine with a remaster. The reason why not many people care about movies is because for movies, they pretty much only do movies that are at least 10 years old and a lot of the time, they're a lot older. Video games have been doing remasters of games that are just barely one year old, like The Last of Us.

Just here to support your point. If the game is just from 1 generation before, the graphical difference is not very big just a resolution and frame-rate update, and its most likely just a cash grab, there is little reason to create the remaster except reduce the risk by not investing in a new title. When it is an old game like Ducktales or Grim Fandango I don't have any problem, the originals are hard to get, most likely you cannot go and buy a copy of the game or the console to play it, so a remaster is a good thing.



Nem said:
ArchangelMadzz said:


Games are $60 as they usually take longer to make than a movie and provide FAR more content. So it doesn't really affect the argument, it's all about re-releasing for the original price with improvements. Movies get away with it alot, with unrated versions, directors cuts etc. I can bet you the dev time for a remaster of a game is a lot longer than a movie. 


But, the only reason they get away with it is because they are different purchase decisions. Its nothing alike... despite opinions here who say that its the same or have their own justification for the videogame remasters. It clearly isnt. The purchase of a movie is more of an impulse buy than a videogame. That is completely because of the price difference.

Depends, have you not seen the Criterion collection? Prices of $32 to $50 for a remastered movie. Upto $180 for a collection of old movies.
Criterion collection is like Nintendo games, they seldom go down in price. I've been waiting for over a year to the Qatsi trilogy to go below $70, first released 1989, remastered in 2012. Normal remastered (or ported) collections fare better, still you're hard pressed to find deals like we had last gen, or halo mcc, rare replay, even the Uncharted collection nets you 3 games for the price of 1.

Remasters are more established among movies, with games they're still finding their place, optimal price point and the best approach.



Well, it's a good way to make money because people continue to buy them so they keep making them



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SvennoJ said:
Nem said:
ArchangelMadzz said:


Games are $60 as they usually take longer to make than a movie and provide FAR more content. So it doesn't really affect the argument, it's all about re-releasing for the original price with improvements. Movies get away with it alot, with unrated versions, directors cuts etc. I can bet you the dev time for a remaster of a game is a lot longer than a movie. 


But, the only reason they get away with it is because they are different purchase decisions. Its nothing alike... despite opinions here who say that its the same or have their own justification for the videogame remasters. It clearly isnt. The purchase of a movie is more of an impulse buy than a videogame. That is completely because of the price difference.

Depends, have you not seen the Criterion collection? Prices of $32 to $50 for a remastered movie. Upto $180 for a collection of old movies.
Criterion collection is like Nintendo games, they seldom go down in price. I've been waiting for over a year to the Qatsi trilogy to go below $70, first released 1989, remastered in 2012. Normal remastered (or ported) collections fare better, still you're hard pressed to find deals like we had last gen, or halo mcc, rare replay, even the Uncharted collection nets you 3 games for the price of 1.

Remasters are more established among movies, with games they're still finding their place, optimal price point and the best approach.


Sure. But those are the exceptions not the general rule.