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random nonsense? please. In people with ADD the brain is typically more symmetrical while in the non-ADD the brain is typically asymmetrical with the right frontal lobe being larger, which is the part of the frontal lobe you are clearly referring to(Edit: it wasn't you who mentioned the frontal lobe, but my point still stands).

So you recommend ADD meds which could be considered pharmaceutical speed? People take ADD meds for recreation purposes calling it "poor mans coke"

I've been on a crusade for years against the medicating of ADD. I was put on a med that made me extremely sick. I've done a lot of research on the issue and have written many essays about it. Don't even try to pick a fight with me on it. ADD meds are evil. Its a horrible thing. A society that relies on these pathetic drugs where they aren't necessary.



[2:08:58 am] Moongoddess256: being asian makes you naturally good at ddr
[2:09:22 am] gnizmo: its a weird genetic thing
[2:09:30 am] gnizmo: goes back to hunting giant crabs in feudal Japan

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I smoke it and I think it should be legal.



sc94597 said:
Lol I like how everybody in this thread are recommending drugs. To me anything that affects my brain in a negative way is bad no matter how severe.

 I used to feel the same way until I smoked marijuana.  If you have tried marijuana at least once, you are entitled to that opinion and I will not judge you for it one bit.  If you have never tried it, I think you can't make a definitive claim either way simply because you don't know how it affects you.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Moongoddess256 said:
random nonsense? please. In people with ADD the brain is typically more symmetrical while in the non-ADD the brain is typically asymmetrical with the right frontal lobe being larger, which is the part of the frontal lobe you are clearly referring to.

So you recommend ADD meds which could be considered pharmaceutical speed? People take ADD meds for recreation purposes calling it "poor mans coke"

I've been on a crusade for years against the medicating of ADD. I was put on a med that made me extremely sick. I've done a lot of research on the issue and have written many essays about it. Don't even try to pick a fight with me on it. ADD meds are evil. Its a horrible thing. A society that relies on these pathetic drugs where they aren't necessary.

So you are fully aware that people who suffer from ADHD do not get the normal reaction from stimulants correct? The reason that ADHD medicine is essentially speed is because people with ADHD get calmer and more attentive on it. While I am surprised that you seem to know more than what you let on, I am still not impressed. While I can't claim to have done any essays on the subject, I have done actual research on the effectiveness of the drugs in question on school aged children.

And to answer it more directly I would say you should take it on a case by case basis. There are side effects to any drug takens and thus it cannot be for everyone. That said it has worked wonders, if not mircales for some kids. Most ADHD cases do not require drugs at all, I can agree with you on that one. However, to claim the drugs are evil when they can have profound, life changing effects for certain people is naive and short sighted at best. The point of my comment was to highlight the absurdity of claiming that people with ADHD "do not have much going on [in the frontal loe] to begin with."



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Gnizmo said:
Moongoddess256 said:
random nonsense? please. In people with ADD the brain is typically more symmetrical while in the non-ADD the brain is typically asymmetrical with the right frontal lobe being larger, which is the part of the frontal lobe you are clearly referring to.

So you recommend ADD meds which could be considered pharmaceutical speed? People take ADD meds for recreation purposes calling it "poor mans coke"

I've been on a crusade for years against the medicating of ADD. I was put on a med that made me extremely sick. I've done a lot of research on the issue and have written many essays about it. Don't even try to pick a fight with me on it. ADD meds are evil. Its a horrible thing. A society that relies on these pathetic drugs where they aren't necessary.

So you are fully aware that people who suffer from ADHD do not get the normal reaction from stimulants correct? The reason that ADHD medicine is essentially speed is because people with ADHD get calmer and more attentive on it. While I am surprised that you seem to know more than what you let on, I am still not impressed. While I can't claim to have done any essays on the subject, I have done actual research on the effectiveness of the drugs in question on school aged children.

And to answer it more directly I would say you should take it on a case by case basis. There are side effects to any drug takens and thus it cannot be for everyone. That said it has worked wonders, if not mircales for some kids. Most ADHD cases do not require drugs at all, I can agree with you on that one. However, to claim the drugs are evil when they can have profound, life changing effects for certain people is naive and short sighted at best. The point of my comment was to highlight the absurdity of claiming that people with ADHD "do not have much going on [in the frontal loe] to begin with."


 ADD kids can get the recreational effects from the drugs if they snort it. I've seen it.

Look up cylert (pemoline). It was the drug I was prescribed that made me sick. It was taken off the market. It killed some due to acute liver failure.

Ritalin and the meds similar to it are somewhat safe but they cause a tolerance to occur in which the dosage needs to be increased quite frequently. These are also the drugs that are used recreationally.

As for any broad and possibly not overall true statements I may make, the internet is not serious business. For reals. Now I am being serious. My point really was "And theres something seriously wrong with a dysfunctional frontal lobe? It has both pros and cons" 



[2:08:58 am] Moongoddess256: being asian makes you naturally good at ddr
[2:09:22 am] gnizmo: its a weird genetic thing
[2:09:30 am] gnizmo: goes back to hunting giant crabs in feudal Japan

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If ppl are against pot then u should be against alcohol and tobacco, which have cause many deaths. And no ppl don't smoke pot when they are unhappy. That's when ppl drink. The best time to smoke pot is when ur happy as it puts u in an even greater mood.



Moongoddess256 said:

 ADD kids can get the recreational effects from the drugs if they snort it. I've seen it.

Look up cylert (pemoline). It was the drug I was prescribed that made me sick. It was taken off the market. It killed some due to acute liver failure.

Ritalin and the meds similar to it are somewhat safe but they cause a tolerance to occur in which the dosage needs to be increased quite frequently. These are also the drugs that are used recreationally.

As for any broad and possibly not overall true statements I may make, the internet is not serious business. For reals. Now I am being serious. My point really was "And theres something seriously wrong with a dysfunctional frontal lobe? It has both pros and cons" 


If they are actually getting the recreational effects of the drug then they should not have been presribed that drug in the first place. I am not familiar with the drug you were on inparticular, but it is clearly not a good indicator of your typical effective ADHD drug. I am very sorry you had such a terrible experience, and hope in the future if you ever need to see a psychiatrist/psychologist you get one that is better able to find one that will work with you on finding the right medication for you. The reason there is so much overlap in brain altering drugs is because the side effects can be so severe and are not constant across very similar medications (effect wise not chemical wise).

The reason I latched onto the comment despite the internet not being serious buisness is because it really is way out there. The frontal lobe is responsible for all planning and coordination of movement. Without it, or if it is severely damaged you won't be able to actually move. Depending on the damage or dysfunction there can be absolutely nothing wrong with a person. The damage caused by occasional pot use would fall into the unnoticeable range.

I get a week off from research and school work and I drag people into pointless debates on exactly what I am studying. There must be something seriously wrong with me.



Starcraft 2 ID: Gnizmo 229

Gnizmo said:
Moongoddess256 said:
 

ADD kids can get the recreational effects from the drugs if they snort it. I've seen it.

Look up cylert (pemoline). It was the drug I was prescribed that made me sick. It was taken off the market. It killed some due to acute liver failure.

Ritalin and the meds similar to it are somewhat safe but they cause a tolerance to occur in which the dosage needs to be increased quite frequently. These are also the drugs that are used recreationally.

As for any broad and possibly not overall true statements I may make, the internet is not serious business. For reals. Now I am being serious. My point really was "And theres something seriously wrong with a dysfunctional frontal lobe? It has both pros and cons"


If they are actually getting the recreational effects of the drug then they should not have been presribed that drug in the first place. I am not familiar with the drug you were on inparticular, but it is clearly not a good indicator of your typical effective ADHD drug. I am very sorry you had such a terrible experience, and hope in the future if you ever need to see a psychiatrist/psychologist you get one that is better able to find one that will work with you on finding the right medication for you. The reason there is so much overlap in brain altering drugs is because the side effects can be so severe and are not constant across very similar medications (effect wise not chemical wise).

The reason I latched onto the comment despite the internet not being serious buisness is because it really is way out there. The frontal lobe is responsible for all planning and coordination of movement. Without it, or if it is severely damaged you won't be able to actually move. Depending on the damage or dysfunction there can be absolutely nothing wrong with a person. The damage caused by occasional pot use would fall into the unnoticeable range.

I get a week off from research and school work and I drag people into pointless debates on exactly what I am studying. There must be something seriously wrong with me.


I enjoy a tasty debate, otherwise I wouldn't respond. As long as we don't go about insulting each other. Obviously ADD people still have something there, but the disorder itself mostly affects that part of the brain.

And the reason I was prescribed that drug was because of the tolerance I developed to ritalin. It was no longer effective on me. Now that I'm afraid of those drugs I've learned to appreciate the "disorder" I was diagnosed with as a gift. Through all those essays I did research for arguing against the usage of medication, I found that some of the alleles that ADD lies on are in fact some of the same alleles directly associated with creativity.

It would make sense wouldn't it? To describe an ADD mind you could say that its like having alot of static... jumbled up thoughts and a drifting mind. Creativity... what is creativity? Would it not be something like an unlikely thought or collision of thoughts to create a new groundbreaking idea? If we were incapable of drifting thoughts and the like, would there be any creativity at all?

It is also theorized that ADD evolved in the day of hunter-gatherer societies. The "distractability" and "hyperfocusing" would be useful in hunting. Imagine a hunter looking for his prey, and his "distractibility" leads him to notice a stick snapping in the forest and he uses his "hyperfocusing" to close in on the kill. I am very convinced that it is something that could be used to societies benefit if it were properly tapped into.

ADD children do not perform well in school and boring jobs, this is true. But this is because these things adhere to a strict system that do not do things in a way that is making the most of different minds.



[2:08:58 am] Moongoddess256: being asian makes you naturally good at ddr
[2:09:22 am] gnizmo: its a weird genetic thing
[2:09:30 am] gnizmo: goes back to hunting giant crabs in feudal Japan

Gnizmo said:
Kasz216 said:
 

Unless. You know the person beforehand and actually saw how ambitious they were in the first place and weren't actually treating them in a clinical way. That's the thing though. This isn't a clinical issue it's a good old neurochemost issue.

The frontal lobe controls motivation and a number of other things, marijuana causes damage to the frontol lobe making it less active.

Regardless, It effects people who injest it. The "high" is partially what does it. That's what effects your frontal lobe in the first place.


The damage isn't quite as bad as you seem to be making it out to be. Smoking a few joints is not the same as jamming a screw driver into your skull. It takes a long period of excessive use for the damage to become apparent. Most recreational users will not see any large permanent mental damage because they are not ingesting enough to cause any brain damage.

 

It really depends how you define a few.  It also depends on the individual person which is what makes such undertakings dangerous.

Even light usage can lead to blood flow problems which while not permanent can persist for up to a month after quitting for people who smoke as little as 3-4 joints a week.

Which is actually what i'd put below casual use.  To me casual user would be someone who smokes about 5 joints a week.  There is about 60 joints in an ounce 

I know when my friends started they went through about a eigth of an ounce a piece a week.  Which would be about 7 and a half joints worth.  Of course that's one of the problems with making something illegal.  It goes outside of the public view so very few people are educated on what amount of something is actually safe.  



Supposedly salvia's been used right now to cure cocaine addictions. When you get your urge to snort a fat rail of cola, you smoke some salvia, trip out for about 10 minutes.... and the urge is gone. And it supposedly has no negative side effects and it's definitely not addictive. Who knew hallucinogens could be used to curb stimulant addictions? The brain is totally nuts.

Anyway, salvia rules.