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People need to get over themselves. While I agree that it'd be nice to get BC, it's not going to happen. It's also beyond stupid to think that Sony owes people free access to PS Now... or even bundling it into PS+.

I've said this about 400x now. PS Now costs Sony money every single second of use. They literally dedicate a server blade to your specific session. Netflix, Amazon, Vudu etc only require like 0.1% of the server resources that cloud gaming does.

Additionally, PS Now only has a limited number of servers; and there's this thing called supply and demand. Having no consumer cost would drive demand exponentially. There wouldn't be enough infrastructure to handle the load and the experience would become terrible for everyone (and more importantly actual paying customers).

The ONLY way to make this work, would be to give people access to owned digital ps3 games that are not included in the subscription library if you are on the actual PS Now sub (PS+ is too cheap, and includes too much too even break even). 

That said, they will announce PS1/PS2 bc sometime this year... my guess is that's the next big firmware update.



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BHR-3 said:

Microsoft announced backwards compatibility for the Xbox One at its E3 press conference, and preview members are already enjoying it with a number of Xbox 360 of games.

That caused quite a stir in the gaming community, and of course quite a few voices expressed the desire for Sony to do the same on the PS4. That’s really nothing new, the demand has always been there, and Microsoft move just amplified it.

It’s easy to think that Sony is holding back on the feature just because it could negatively influence the demand for PlayStation Now, or simply because they have other priorities, but while I don’t have any insider knowledge on Sony’s plans, I don’t think the reason has anything to do with that.

It’s also easy to think that more powerful hardware can easily emulate less powerful hardware, but it’s not so simple.

The Xbox 360 was built on a PowerPC architecture, which is quite different from the x86-64 architecture of the Xbox One, but the difference is not so great that it completely prevents emulation.

On the other hand, the PS3 was built on an extremely hi-tech state-of-the-art architecture based on the Cell processor and on its SPU (Synergistic Processing Unit). That required games to be specifically optimized to run on that kind of hardware.

That’s the reason why there has always been a large gap between first party and third party games on PS3. Almost only first party developers had the resources and the know-how to develop games fully optimized for the console’s peculiar architecture, while most third parties had to settle for a compromise.

The problem is that the Cell and its SPU are so unique and peculiar that they most probably make emulation impossible, at least on current generation consoles. It’s normally possible to “brute force” emulation by using hardware that is massively more powerful than the target. The problem is that current generation consoles, including the PS4, don’t exactly have a massively powerful CPU.

The 8-core AMD x86-64 Jaguar CPU built into Sony’s new console isn’t a powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination, and it most probably doesn’t have the juice required to get even close to emulating the Cell at a reasonable performance.

That’s the main reason why the PS4 probably won’t ever have full-fledged native emulation. In order to emulate PS3 games on PS4, each studio would probably have to redesign large areas of the code to make its games run on the x86-64 architecture. That’s not a very viable way to spend resources and development time.

This means that Sony now finds itself at a competitive disadvantage (we don’t have enough elements to judge how big, just yet) on the backwards emulation factor.

How can Sony overcome the obstacle? PlayStation Now offers a range of games that could be considered a partial equivalent to backwards compatibility. The problem is evident as the bright sun: if you want to play a PS3 game on PS4, you have to pay for it, no matter if you already own it.

That doesn’t make the slightest sense from the perspective of a consumer, especially considering PlayStation Now‘s pricing, which isn’t exactly what I’d consider cheap.

In order to close the backwards compatibility gap, at least partly, Sony could finally allow those who own PlayStation 3 games to play them on PlayStation 4 and PS Vita and other compatible devices like Samsung TVs (a little but relevant additional bonus) for free via PlayStation Now.

If you have a digital copy, it’s pretty simple: your account could detect it, and enable streaming automatically. If you have a disk, you’d need to keep it in the PS4’s drive in order to play your PlayStation Now copy.

I can easily imagine that many feel that Sony would never be willing to give up part of its PlayStation Now revenue for this purpose, but we should probably think about who is PlayStation Now‘s main target audience.

I seriously doubt that Sony sees the service as targeted primarily to those that already own PS3 games. That’s because those gamers most probably already played the titles they own. The possibility that they would be willing to pay a rather steep rental price to play an old game they already experienced is not exactly massive. A PS3 owner might use PlayStation now for games he never owned, but in this case the problem simply doesn’t exist.

PlayStation Now is primarily targeted to those that never bought a PS3, and have no intention to buy one. As such, they also don’t have a relevant PS3 game collection. That kind of target would be left mostly untouched by offering a virtual backwards compatibility service via streaming.

In order to make up for the missed revenue (which I don’t think would be very relevant, anyway), they could even lock the feature behind PlayStation Plus. It would add a further perk (and a big one) to their premium service, and improve its penetration among PS4 users.

Will they do it? or even explore the possibility? Your guess here is as good as mine. I can see them taking “wait and see” stance until the holidays, to gauge what kind of impact the Xbox One’s backwards compatibility will have on sales.

If it makes a big impact, then we might see Sony scramble for a solution, and using PlayStation Now might be the ideal chance. If it doesn’t, then it’ll probably be business as usual.

Of course I might be entirely wrong, and the talented engineers at Sony might manage to pull a miracle, implementing hardware backwards compatibility on the console, But I seriously doubt that’s very likely.

Quite obviously, your mileage may vary on whether backwards compatibility is even necessary, but that’s another story for another time.

 

http://www.dualshockers.com/2015/06/21/the-ps4-might-never-have-backwards-compatibility-heres-why-and-what-sony-could-do/


The PS4 will never emulate the PS3. Not gonna happen. Even MS with all their engineers and funds would give up. I've never went back to PS3 since PS4 came out and i don't want to either. PS1 and PS2 will be much easier to emulate and Sony may go down that route.



Ashadian said:


The PS4 will never emulate the PS3. Not gonna happen. Even MS with all their engineers and funds would give up. I've never went back to PS3 since PS4 came out and i don't want to either. PS1 and PS2 will be much easier to emulate and Sony may go down that route.

Mark my words.  The next big firmware update will give PS1/PS2 BC. They are currently losing out on revenue from nostalgic gamers willing to buy the PSN titles.

It's also pretty much the only hinted feature not yet released, now that DLNA is out. 



lol they won't do anything. They don't need to and even if they did, BC isnt going to win over many people.



Xenostar said:
lol they won't do anything. They don't need to and even if they did, BC isnt going to win over many people.


It helps block people emigrating from XB1, while expanding the library for the opposite. You won't see tit-for-tat but they'll do partial bc.



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didnt bother reading the long ass article but here is my answer to the question in the title "PS4 Might Never Have Backwards Compatibility, What Can Sony Do?"

 

The obvious answer is: Not give a fuck because backwards compatibility isnt really a big deal... at all... and its not a game changer in any way or form. its a nice feature to have, and thats it. 



Is this a big deal!? I don't know about other ps4 owners but I bought a ps4 to play ps4 games, not to play PS3 games, for the last 3 years of the PS3/360 gen people were starting to complain it was time for the next gen console to be released, now it's here they want backwards compatibility to play last gen games. If I ever wanted to play a PS3 game I have my PS3 sitting right next to the ps4.



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sabvre42 said:

That said, they will announce PS1/PS2 bc sometime this year... my guess is that's the next big firmware update.

They can't do PS1 BC, there is no CD rom in the PS4 (or so I hear, never tested it). It's be digital stuff only.



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The Fury said:
sabvre42 said:

That said, they will announce PS1/PS2 bc sometime this year... my guess is that's the next big firmware update.

They can't do PS1 BC, there is no CD rom in the PS4 (or so I hear, never tested it). It's be digital stuff only.

That said, I've mentioned before that people certainly wouldn't argue against PS1 classics making a comeback and making it onto the PS4 PS Store. A lot of people have PS1 classics purchased on their account that wouldn't mind having them readily accessible on the PS4 too. It's not make it or break it by any means, but I wouldn't mind it either. Just another system to play Symphony of the Night on lol



 

Um, they can ignore BC completely. Just like they did last gen (after 16 months anyways). Last gen is 10 years old this coming fall (X360 anyways), its time to move on. If your a retro gamer you have the old consoles anyway.

I am not getting rid of my PS3. If I wanted to play a PS3 game it would not be on a random whim, it would be a case of me thinking "its time to break out the old console" this happens once every 2 years or so with me, is usually in the spring, and last for a month or 2.



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