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Pemalite on 28 October 2014
HmChoices said:


Screw it i'll teach you

  1. . Comparing stuff between consoles the PS4 is the better choice.Simply a fact.

If he only wants 1 platform and it has to be a console he and everyone else should pick the PS4.Fact.

No.
You should buy the platform that has the best games that actually interests you.
And guess what? And I am sorry to burst your bubble, but there are entire genre's of games that the Playstation 4 and Xbox One genuinely sucks the proverbial ball at.
A PC can work as a fantastic replacement of a console in a loungeroom connected to a TV, you also don't have a hardware manufacturer that dictates it's use-case scenario's either.

HmChoices said:
You act like EVERY Game gets released on PC but this simply isn't true
Its probably even closer to being a minority especially if those games aren't mainstream/western and even then its not a safe bet.
When did Playstation and XBox People play GTA5?Last year - When will PS4 and X1 people play GTA5 again?This year
When will the ultra awesome PC People play it?Next year - So they had to wait till the game got released twice on consoles.
How do you like the PC Version of Red Dead Redemption?The PS3 and Xbox360 got that MULTIPLATFORM game.



 


That's because, every console game, even if it's exclusive, regardless of platform, does get released on the PC, regardless if the developer, publisher, platform holder likes it or not, eventually.

Did you know I can run a virtualised copy of Android on my x86 PC? I can then (Thanks to the power of binary translation) run the entire Android video game ecosystem, the more you know.

HmChoices said:

See?
Its simply a fact the PS4 and X1 cover a lot more and are a smart choice.
Yes for those Multiplatform Games the PC gets it is the only choice you should make.
But PS4/XB1 cover a lot bigger library of high quality games the PC will never see and if you have to choose you pick the PS4 for the better quality in games.
Why?Cause the games still cost the same - PS4 and Xb1 Version cost for example 60$ but you get more quality on the PS4.Simple choice.

And saying the PC library is bigger than the ones of console is surely true.
But all the shovelware on Steam or the (high budget) Console Exclusive Multiplats,the real exclusives obviously and still getting a lot  of the indie shovelware from PC...Hm hard choice ;)
I go personally with PC+PS4 just cause of those reasons.But if you want only to have 1 platform with the biggest quality in the library you have to go with the PS4.Simply cause you cover with PS4 only a lot more than with going PC only.

Unfortunatly, that's mostly all personal opinion, rather than fact, you are blinded and don't realise the big AAA exclusives the PC has, which are just as numerous as consoles, ironically a large portion of those aren't even on Steam, you are also forgetting the PC's ability to run other platforms games, yes including the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360.
With the Playstation 4 and Xbox One using Low-End PC hardware, it should occur sooner rather than later.

However... This is ALL completely pointless at the end of the day.

The *BEST* Platform is the platform that has the games that you, the individual actually likes the most, from my perspective, the Playstation 4 is the worst console on the market, it doesn't have my PC exclusives and it doesn't have Halo.
Heck, if graphics were all that mattered, consoles and handhelds wouldn't exist, it's that damn simple.

Azzanation said:

 The PC graphics are worlds apart better when compared to console games, eg 60 frames > 30 frames, thats almost double the power just in the framerate and i am not including the advance effects and resolution.

The sad part of your argument is you mention about PC gamers have missed out on GTA5 and Red Dead Redemption, but how long have PC gamers being playing games like Planet Side 2 or Diablo 3? The fact if with consoles (heres where they trick you) They make you buy the game twice, one version on current or last gen and the other on next gen. PC versions normaly are the next gen game (which is cheaper then the last gen version on consoles) and they normaly get updated with patches to increase the visuals over time so your not buying the game twice. My mate brought Half Life on PS2 and in a magainze stated "The best looking verion" I reloaded Half Life on Steam and all i did was change Direct X 7 to Direct X 11 and wow, i automaticly saw massive differences and felt like a remastered game and it was FREE.

You're implying the PC is limited to a 60fps cap? :P
120fps and 144fps (Aka. 120 and 144hz panels) can provide large improvements in fluidity and clarity over 60fps.

Don't forget: StarCraft 2, Leagues of Legends, Dawn of the Ancients 2, World of WarCraft, Mech Warrior: Online, Planetary Annihialation, Civilization, Starwars: The old Republic (Most expensive game developed, next to GTA 5), heck even StarCitizen, The Sims, Sims City, The Settlers, Age of Mythology and Age of Empires, just to name a couple'.

Don't forget graphics mods.
This is what a mods does to Grand Theft Auto IV:



Could easily give a Playstation 4 game a run for it's money in the graphics stakes, even if it is a 6 year old game. ;)



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

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iTechHeads on 28 October 2014
Pemalite said:
iTechHeads said:

PS4 Too!™

I never said PS4 was some state-of-the-art powerhouse. I said its more powerful than Xbox One, which is a fact.

I want to play console games in the best resolution and performance possible. That's one of the reasons why I picked up a PS4. Because I was looking for a console. To Play games. On Tv. With a Controller.


Screw it, I'll bite.

You wan't the best resolution and performance possible? (YOUR WORDS) Picking the Playstation 4 was then the wrong choice, you literally just failed hard core as a consumer.
The PC has had HDMI longer than consoles have, heck it's had "1080P"since 1995 (The era of the Nintendo 64/Playstation 1) and 4k since 2001/2003, it can interface with a TV just fine.
2560x1440 has been around for years, can be had for a couple hundred bucks.

And yet, you still opt for the device which can't exceed a 20 year old resolution? A resolution I expect out of a 5" mobile phone?

Controllers are childs play, you have hundreds to choose from and more often than not, your console controller works on PC too, go figure.

Steam Big Picture mode is your best friend for controllers+TV use.

If console games are your thing, the PC is known to get the majority of multi-platform console games natively, they look better than their console counterparts and also perform better. (Not to mention more gameplay thanks to mods.)
Converesly, you also have the choice of emulating other platforms (Legalities of which, various by region.) such as the SNES, N64, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, Gamecube, Wii... Heck even the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 emulators are now up and running. (Although,game compatability still leaves much to be desired.)
Don't forget the PC's game library is larger than any singular console platform, with decades worth of backwards compatability to bolster your games library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(emulator)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPCS3

Seriously, your missing out on some of the greatest games of all time by ignoring other platforms, but I guess that's your problem.

But I digress, you will probably find some other excuse now.

UGH. I can't believe I have to say this again.

I'm not interested in PC gaming. I already have a PC and I don't even use it. I know the pros and cons of both PC gaming and console gaming. Console gaming is better. It's more convenient. It's more comfortable. That's my opinion. Sorry if it offends you.

As to why I picked a PS4 and not an Xbox One or a Wii U, its because I have a life. I don't have the time or money to invest in multiple platforms.



bigjon on 28 October 2014

blind leading blind. literally it seems.

if you can not see the difference go get your eyes checked.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

DonFerrari on 28 October 2014

Why do people keep pretending that we are discuting what we aren't?

The whole case is if both games are equal in all else then more pixels and/or fps is better. Is that even up to discussion? And being ps4 quite more powerfull than X1then if everything is equal it's obvious ps4 version was gimped.

And about all consoles games being in PC I'm still waiting the last of us PC version.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

VanceIX on 28 October 2014

Screw Ubisoft, they have become the new EA at this point. Poorly optimized games s their mantra.



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Pemalite on 28 October 2014
iTechHeads said:

UGH. I can't believe I have to say this again.

I'm not interested in PC gaming. I already have a PC and I don't even use it. I know the pros and cons of both PC gaming and console gaming. Console gaming is better. It's more convenient. It's more comfortable. That's my opinion. Sorry if it offends you.

As to why I picked a PS4 and not an Xbox One or a Wii U, its because I have a life. I don't have the time or money to invest in multiple platforms.


And... BANG.

The excuses changed in order to reaffirm the purchasing decision, boy I am fantastic at predicting.

You think Consoles are better, it doesn't make it reality.
You think it's more convenient, it doesn't make it so.
You think it's more comfortable, which isn't always the case.

Basically, everything you have stated is not fact, but rather personal opinion.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

globalisateur on 28 October 2014

But he is wrong unfortunately.

It's not about resolution, it's about native resolution.

2 things many PC gamers do is to set the game to their native resolution (whatever it is) then reduce effects in order to have a stable framerate (or vice versa).

Hell that's why I did with HL2 on my old LCD panel and at that naive time my aim was just image quality, naturally after several configurations I learned that the best image quality (notably on a shitty LCD) was with a native resolution. And that native resolution >>> whatever effects I could add in the game.

If we had 900p LCD sceen then I would perfectly settle for that res, but unfortunately my screen is 1080p and I refuse anymore to play at a damaged image quality when so many 1080p are out there.