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Game boy you can install Mac OSX on most PCs. If you don't feel like pirating you can actually buy leopard and than download a few fixed kext files. This is assuming you have a SSE3 Intel based computer of course.
I use OSX and Windows and Ubuntu for different things but of them all OSX is the slowest one were Ubuntu is the fastest. Even on the Mac Pro I still use Windows XP it cruises on that machine. There are very things on a Mac that I prefer to do in the Mac OSX enviroment the big one being color correction in Final Cut Pro.
OSX will offer you some familiar features to Linux through the terminal but the OS is really closed but it does allow the use of freeware from Linux and you can even run WINE(though why you would do it in OSX versus Linux is beyond me.
If you just want a simple machine that can do more out of the box than a Mac may be a good choice. It comes with a very productive audio/video suite that puts most linux programs to shame in the ease of use department and can do almost everything the most advanced video editing programs can do to boot.
There are better programs out there than you will get for a mac on the PC stuff like Avid and Scenerist and I prefer Sonar X64 to Logic 8(aka studio). I prefer MS OFFICE on the windows machine but I also like Open Office which can also run on a Mac so you aren't doing document heavy work it is great.

Advantages over linux include legal DVD support, More polished programs, Cleaner look(though the ancient folder Icon has to go I do like the folder previews in windows better). Less clutter and simplier upgrades due to the closed natures of Macs. The ability to use Itunes(and a non bastardized version of it). The ability to use several prosumer level programs for a realtively cheap price.

Disadvantages include more Kernal Panics, Slower for most things(except MP3 encoding in Itunes). It lacks advanced codec suport that Windows has(really only matters for stuff like .mkv and .ogg and several types of .avi files). I know you are computer literate enough but many mac users think that there are no uninstallers in a Mac so they just delete the files they see in there application folder but often times there is a clutter of useless and sometimes conflicting .kext files that are left behind because programs like adobe master suite do infact have an uninstaller. The inability to hold down both the right button and left button at the same time on a mouse (but this only matters for cewrtain games where it makes you move forward and only if you use the trackpad on the notebook at that)

ALos wait for the second gemeration of a new macbook pro the first one seems to have the highest number of failures(last time around it was Seagate HDs and before it was logic boards or even an unresponsive keyboard. The good thing is apple is pretty decent about their warranties.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
rocketpig said:

Even one of my software engineer friends switched over to a Macbook Pro this year because he wanted the versatility of running virtually every operating system he can think of on the same machine. For people like him, that's a pretty significant bonus for the platform.


As opposed to running VMware?


He's a professional software engineer. Not surprisingly, he frowns upon pirated software.  No way to get OSX legally except on a Mac.




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TheRealMafoo said:

Who ever really buys a laptop that can only do what one "needs". I mean if you really look at it as needs, who needs one? Most of the world does just fine without internet at all. A laptop (esp for the OP) is a quality of life issue, not a requirement.

Also, to a point about value, a Mac will last longer than two/three windows PC's. The PowerBook G3, that was released in 1998 runs Tiger relatively well. This OS will stay relevant in the world for at least another 5 years.

That means a Mac can have a useful life for 15 years (provided it does not break). This cannot be done in the windows world, not even close. If a user was willing to learn Linux, they could get 15 years out of a laptop, but that's because it's doing the same thing OSX is doing (running a light/fast kernel). The mainstream is not going to learn Linux.

I bought my 17” MBP coming on two years ago. When Leopard came out, I upgraded without a hitch, and my computer still screams. Never do I sit and think I wish I had a new Mac.

These are factors that play heavy into a computers value.

 


I don't particularly like arguing with very pro-mac individuals however this is deceitful.  Apple is notorious for updates which are very much not backwards compatible and mandating a new system/OS be installed.  Saying that a Mac will "last longer" when updates significantly limit its lifespan is misleading and while you can argue that you don't need to update, at that point you're sacrificing part of the Mac advantage which is the ever evolving software.

I also believe that it's very misleading to say that Macs last longer overall.  I've had my current desktop machine for 7 years now and it runs perfectly.  This is not due to magic or Windows machines running more smoothly or lack of use.  In fact, it dualboots XP and F7, and I get a lot of use out of it.  However, I also take very good care of it.  I take time to clean it and dust it out with a can of air periodically, I don't sit it directly on the floor or carpet...etc.  Simple things like those can drastically improve the life of any computer.



rocketpig said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
rocketpig said:

Even one of my software engineer friends switched over to a Macbook Pro this year because he wanted the versatility of running virtually every operating system he can think of on the same machine. For people like him, that's a pretty significant bonus for the platform.


As opposed to running VMware?


He's a professional software engineer. Not surprisingly, he frowns upon pirated software. No way to get OSX legally except on a Mac.


Fair enough.



Words Of Wisdom said:
TheRealMafoo said:

Who ever really buys a laptop that can only do what one "needs". I mean if you really look at it as needs, who needs one? Most of the world does just fine without internet at all. A laptop (esp for the OP) is a quality of life issue, not a requirement.

Also, to a point about value, a Mac will last longer than two/three windows PC's. The PowerBook G3, that was released in 1998 runs Tiger relatively well. This OS will stay relevant in the world for at least another 5 years.

That means a Mac can have a useful life for 15 years (provided it does not break). This cannot be done in the windows world, not even close. If a user was willing to learn Linux, they could get 15 years out of a laptop, but that's because it's doing the same thing OSX is doing (running a light/fast kernel). The mainstream is not going to learn Linux.

I bought my 17” MBP coming on two years ago. When Leopard came out, I upgraded without a hitch, and my computer still screams. Never do I sit and think I wish I had a new Mac.

These are factors that play heavy into a computers value.

 


I don't particularly like arguing with very pro-mac individuals however this is deceitful. Apple is notorious for updates which are very much not backwards compatible and mandating a new system/OS be installed. Saying that a Mac will "last longer" when updates significantly limit its lifespan is misleading and while you can argue that you don't need to update, at that point you're sacrificing part of the Mac advantage which is the ever evolving software.

I also believe that it's very misleading to say that Macs last longer overall. I've had my current desktop machine for 7 years now and it runs perfectly. This is not due to magic or Windows machines running more smoothly or lack of use. In fact, it dualboots XP and F7, and I get a lot of use out of it. However, I also take very good care of it. I take time to clean it and dust it out with a can of air periodically, I don't sit it directly on the floor or carpet...etc. Simple things like those can drastically improve the life of any computer.


+1.

And I'm a Mac user. Apple's OS upgrade cycle is obnoxious and the inability to swap hardware parts can actually lead to a shorter life span in some regards.

If you don't do anything beyond word processing or web browsing, sure, Macs last a long time. Just like a well cared for PC would. 




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yes, if you have the money.



^and if you want one.




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That'd be a no.



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only if you're saying "no" to AWESOMENESS.

Features like Expose and Dashboard alone are enough to hook me. It has the eye candy that Microsoft wishes it had, yet behind it is a BSD foundation, so I think its the best of both worlds -- eye candy for the n00bs and gcc and all that linux terminal stuff for Coders.

And its not Microsoft, so apple FTW



Game_boy said:
FOOD said:
As a former Windows user, I say go for it. OS X is an OS for people like me. I don't like to have to download third party crap to do the things I want. Everything OS X comes with is everything I've ever needed so far. I'm just a regular guy who likes to surf the net, listen to music, and generally use my macbook for school and sheer personal entertainment.

If you're not going to use a mac for gaming, then there's nothing really wrong with it, and everything that comes with OS X is pretty much practical. The only third party thing that I've had to download is Microsoft Office, but it was umm...free (got it from a friend).

At first, learning how to use OS X may seem pretty tedious because of being used to Windows, but after the first two or three days you'll realize how easy and practical OS X is. The only problem is going back to Windows. You'll get frustrated just looking at the "Welcome" screen when you boot up your PC.

Windows is just frustrating to use compared to OS X. If you're not frustrated with Windows at the moment, get used to OS X and then go back to Windows and you'll realize it.

I say go for the macbook (I'm using it right now and my lap is having an orgasm), but if you're still not sure, go to an Apple store and mess around with OS X and ask the workers there about stuff you're curious about. The store closest to my place is really knowledgeable about OS X.


On a side note, I wish Apple would license OS X to other companies like Dell and HP so that computers running OS X would be cheaper. Everyone deserves to run OS X for less than a grand.

That would be very persuasive, but unfortunately I don't need the problems with Windows fixed because Linux does that for free. I'm just deciding between a Macbook or a slightly cheaper laptop which i would scrub Windows from and replace it with Linux. 

That's good advice to go to an Apple store: I didn't know you could try it out to that extent. Being British, however, my nearest store is 3 hours away.

There is of course OSx86 and a, uh, "free" download.


We also have an HP laptop in the household, it's one of the newer ones with all the Vista upgrades and what not, and that thing gets hotter easier/faster, looses battery life faster with a weaker processor than my macbook, and just overall feels cheap really fast. I read somewhere that OS X generally runs faster than Vista--regardless of the hardware specs. It holds truth in my experience. 

 

Go here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udFiaxHm9GI

That's one of three videos that might help clear a few things out. 



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