Clyde32 said:
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Yeah, and after I realised that I quickly backed down. Then it was explained to me that it was a joke. WHich actually makes me suspicious of him, but I don't know why he would do that..other than to joke.
Doctors or Cops really shouldn;t be revealed for a very very very long time.
| HylianSwordsman said: A lot of the argument was about which post is which, but it was all in the name of showing that for most of the Day, his post count was absolute zero. I don't think that's enough to make a solid case because he could improve for the rest of the Day if it really was just about being busy with work at the time. Nonetheless, the whole thing was about post count, while Noctis tried to be nitpicky and say that technically he had posted something. Again, maybe he really was just at work, which should become quite apparent if his activity improves, but regardless, you're saying that post count matters and Nickles was trying to show that not only was Noctis' post count low, it was zero. As it stands, that's a count against him whether he was at work or not. Not enough even for a FoS in my book, but enough to warrant an investigation. An investigation that needs to move on past post count to something else, like the question about his reasoning for voting that I asked him earlier. I don't see how Smash is different. It features villains and heroes, and there are enough villains to form a scum team. Again, Occam's Razor would tell us that the villains are scum and the good guys are town. We've no reason as of yet to believe it would be like this game you speak of with Marth as a godfather. Whether you're town or scum, supposing anything other than the setup matching what the flavor would suggest is harmful to town, as it opens up opportunities for scum to attack people with Town sounding claims. And Captain Falcon being absent means nothing. There are only a limited number of players, so not everyone is going to be here. To me it just means that prof didn't include the entire roster of Smash 64 by default, so we didn't simply assume that they were in because they're in every Smash thus far. There may be others from Smash 64 who are missing, like perhaps Ness. Prof probably took the roster from across all 4 games, and as such characters you might expect to be in could be absent. That doesn't mean the villains will be absent when they would make for a great scum team, nor does it mean non-playable characters will be in this game when it would be really lame to pick something like Mr. Saturn or one of the assist trophies when there's over 50 other characters to choose from. |
On the first point, alright.
Smash villains save for Ganondorf are not always evil. Bowser, Wario, and Bowser Jr. play friendly Kart races and tennis matches with Mario and crew. King Dedede and Meta knight have not been actual villains in more games than in they have and even were on the good side from the start in subspace emissary. Even Wolf teamed up with Fox in Assault and is more of a rival than villain. Mewtwo is commonly considered a villain because of the first movie but besides that is not evil more than any other Pokemon. It isn't as clear cut as one thinks so I think we shouldn't take character claims at immeadiate face value. You can consider "Heroes" town if you like but remember that isn't a 100% confirmation. I probably should have held back this thought for when someone claims a role.
I still feel it's off not having Falcon and mentioning Ridley. Mentioning Ridley can easily be a joke but even having Ridley on the list can suggest the list is a bit more expansive.
| WhiteEaglePL said: Yeah, and after I realised that I quickly backed down. Then it was explained to me that it was a joke. WHich actually makes me suspicious of him, but I don't know why he would do that..other than to joke.
Doctors or Cops really shouldn;t be revealed for a very very very long time. |
Tis why I haven't been joking around. I've had several times where I was going to tell a joke but realized people might take it the wrong way, and decided against it.
This is my read on impertinence which I have considered and reconsidered. I am leaning null to town. He seems less active than last game but I understand work being a complication. The content of his posts hasn't changed much. I hope he learned some lessons from last game and I am eager to see more from him.
His first post had some solid advice for new players: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6718709
He was having some fun early on and getting into the game. He seemed a bit relaxed.
He makes an interesting point about smeags here: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6718891
I guess he had another read or simply reconsidered things in his analyses: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6719587
I think it's fair and I understand it but I don't exactly agree with his take on cone and I don't completely agree with his read on Eric. Eric probably is town but I wouldn't say him being more confident and comfortable is an indication of that but rather something that should be considered from both sides of the fence.
He makes a fair responce to Raddish that questioned his read on cone: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6720813
makes an interesting points on Astro: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6720835 http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6722282
His play so far tho not as active as last game still seems like the same town play. If he is town then I only hope continues to offer his input and push people. If he is mafia then he may not have a serious slip toDay. What he does next will be interesting to see. Same goes for Astro.
http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030
All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)
| AstroGamer said: On the first point, alright. Smash villains save for Ganondorf are not always evil. Bowser, Wario, and Bowser Jr. play friendly Kart races and tennis matches with Mario and crew. King Dedede and Meta knight have not been actual villains in more games than in they have and even were on the good side from the start in subspace emissary. Even Wolf teamed up with Fox in Assault and is more of a rival than villain. Mewtwo is commonly considered a villain because of the first movie but besides that is not evil more than any other Pokemon. It isn't as clear cut as one thinks so I think we shouldn't take character claims at immeadiate face value. You can consider "Heroes" town if you like but remember that isn't a 100% confirmation. I probably should have held back this thought for when someone claims a role. I still feel it's off not having Falcon and mentioning Ridley. Mentioning Ridley can easily be a joke but even having Ridley on the list can suggest the list is a bit more expansive. |
Im going to head out probably for most of the night. In the mean time i am glad you are posting more. Tho the content seems entirely focused on characters from the game as apposed to the players and observations in this current one. This goes to you and all the experienced players in here, especially those I haven't played with before. What are your thoughts? What do you see? What do you agree with, what do you disagree with, what are your questions, what do you see so far that is strange, and what seems familiar? Who do you trust? Who do you suspect? The day is getting shorter and information is key.
http://www.youtube.com/v/AoOOpLpcF28 http://www.youtube.com/v/CphFZGH5030
All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)
HylianSwordsman said:
Prof's non-traditionalness means day talk is LESS of a possibility? Characters could be outside the roster and good and bad guys won't match the flavor?
Come on, these are all defenses against some of the most scummy behavior out there. You're basically telling us not to follow any leads we have so far. I'm really confused what your point about post number is anyway. First you say the number of posts prove nothing, then you say number of posts is more important. The whole point of Nickles argument was that the post count was ZERO and Noctis was trying to say it wasn't. It feels like you're trying to defend Noctis, while at the same time saying Noctis doesn't need defending. I agree that we've too little to go on with Noctis, but if you think we're getting nowhere with it, then start investigating, not defending. The fact that this is a role madness game where most if not all people have powers should tell you prof's non-traditionalness is already at work. I'm not saying we should assume there's day talk, but if there isn't day talk, prof's non-traditionalness is NOT the reason for that, as his not being traditional is just as good a reason to think there is day talk as to think there isn't. As for not being a part of the Smash roster, what would the point of a Smash flavored game be then? Sounds like you're trying to open up the possibility of claiming a non-playable character so you can do so later and not fear a counterclaim. And then you imply that town sounding characters might be scum? The last game we played, the bad guys in the flavor were scum, and the good guys in the flavor were town. In the Fire Emblem game, the same thing happened, with the entire scum team being villains. What's the point of having flavor if it doesn't match? Sure, making flavor hunting the easy way out isn't favorable, but that's why the Fire Emblem game had fakeclaims. In both the Fire Emblem game and the Starcraft game, flavor hunting would have helped town. Yet here you are basically saying to ignore the flavor altogether. Sounds to me like you're trying to put the idea into people's heads that considering good guys for lynching is a good idea, so that you can promote a mislynch. If we consider a Mario claimer for a lynch it should be because we don't believe his Mario claim, not because we think Mario is somehow scum. In short, Occam's razor would tell us that everyone is part of the roster and good guys are town and bad guys are scum. We shouldn't be considering stuff like that until we have good reason to believe the simpler answer can't explain what we've seen. |
Actually, I agree with Astro in saying that we should assume everyone is scum, no matter their character. Consider these three points;
1) Prof HATES flavour hunting. It effectively ruins the point of the game and makes it so that the game is less about reading people and more about who is what character and how well you know the lore (you could claim a character that seems good from a quick research but an experienced person in that lore could know that said character spent a brief time under the influence of the evil characters for example).
2) Smash is all about the free-for-all aspect. What's fun about Smash is that you can pit any two characters you want and see them fight it to the end. Peach vs. Mario, Luigi vs. Link, all those kind of match ups are possible. As such, surely if you want to stick with the flavour we're working with, it would make far LESS sense for only the evil characters to be mafia and only good characters to be town as that's not how it works in the game itself.
3) What about the neutral characters like Wii Fit Trainer or Dog Hunter Dog? (not got the game so I'm not sure on the official name of the latter). How would they fit into the flavour? You could say they're good by default of not having ever done anything bad but at the same time they've never really done anything good either have they? They just show up to the Smash Bros arena and start kicking ass for no good reason. Prof might have left such characters out for this reason but then that just defeats the point of it being a Smash based round where anything is possible.
I'll agree with the comment about the playable roster though, it sounds kind of like what people were saying when they were joking about Mr. Saturn being the Watcher and seems kind of parrot-y to me.
Maybe I'm late to the 'WhiteEagle tries to out the doc' party, but I wanted to add a couple of observations. First of all, it's a terrible way to play as town. I know the whole thing was sort of explained away by saying it is so poor play it doesn't make sense, white misunderstood the joke, etc. but there's a couple things that strikes me as odd about the whole thing.
First of all, Conegamer warned White about fishing for the doctor right away, even if he didn't understand that exposing the doctor is a bad idea by himself, he should have gotten the message then.
Second, Radish says it's such a poor play that it's unlikely he is scum for it. Well, I say it's an even worse play as town and if he is capable of trying to find the doc as town, it is plenty possible for him to make a play like that as scum. I am not saying he is scum, but I find Radish's explanation for why it's not a likely scum play pretty strange. Could be a scum mate trying to take some heat of a team member.
Finally, after the whole thing about trying to find the doctor, he posts this:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6722687
Another attempt to sniff out roles?
About my town read on Eric, and the whole back and forth about not considering scum coaching and day talk and what not.
Eric played five game Days as scum last game, with what amounted to almost a month of possible scum coaching and he still played the game the same way the whole game: Secretive, quiet, and stalling. Now he has started the game of completely different and gives off a much more relaxed and confident vibe. Obviously it's still possible that he now has scum mates that have managed to coach him up in a few days, when no one could get through to him last game, but I consider that less likely. But, there is a reason why I say I have a town read on Eric and not that I consider him confirmed town. I simply find that the most likely explanation is that he is playing without stress or worry this time.
Astro is picking up the postings, which is good. But of course, this comes after he's play-style was linked to his scum play in the last game and the posts he is making aren't exactly dripping with player analysis. It's a lot of flavor talk and speculation about game setup.
That said, Spurge is right when he says Astro is in a though spot after last game, sort of damned if you do damned if you don't situation similar to what Nickles ran into on Day 1 of the last game.
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