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Nicklesbe said:

I'm not ignoring anything in fact I am examingly everything you've said very closely. Which isn't hard since you've posted so very little.

Lets examine your posts shall we? Lets start with your first of the Day. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6722426

NoCtiS_NoX said:

Ok. First of, I did post and checked in. 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6717958

 

Secondly, I am the same as Yoshiya. I live in the Philippines which is +8 gmt.

 

Anyways, Obligatory vote.

VOTE: Spurge

 


An important lesson I learned from Theprof is semantics. Mean what you say and say what you mean, as an experianced player you should know this. The first thing you do in your first post of the Day is call my post count into question by saying you made two posts one checking in and then a seperate one, as seen in bold.

Now here is your third post, after I called you out. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6722541

NoCtiS_NoX said:

uhm.. ok I'll bite. what a way to ignore my 2nd post. Classic selective reading. I said "I am busy at work".  

Aaand  also that's the reason I checked in. >_> You are giving false information that I haven't post anything in this thread. If you are speaking day 1 then yeah I haven't posted yet until my 2 posts.

(BTW I am not a newbie and I already played mafia here before. ) 

 

and for the 2nd part. I  always will pick on spurge on 1st day so Lolz. If it is not spurge then it's radish. 

Lols at FOS and HOS. You can just use HOS ahaha.

Your first post of the Day is your second in this thread. In that post you said again that you checked in AND made a post. In your third post of the day which is your fourth post in the thread you say your 2nd post, not your second post of the Day which would be your  third post in the thread. So my question to you has been where is this second post that you mention in your firist post of the Day?  


1st part -

Ookay. It's what I exactly mean, I did post and checked in.  so what's the problem with that post? I don't get it aaand I never said I made two post one for the checked in and one for the imaginary thing you are babbling about.  

2nd part-

Seriously? Didn't I already admit that I haven't posted yet until that 2 posts that I made?

I even took "I am busy at work" on my 2nd post and I am just saying you ignored that part. Isn't that very simple? See you are doing it again.  You just bolded that part and Ignored the last sentence that I made.

OK just to set things clear. 

You quote me. Telling to me this a classic lurking. Then I  replied to you and telling you that you ignored the 2nd post that I made. "Giving you guys a heads up that I will not be able to post everyday because I am busy at work."

Isn't that my 2nd post of the day 1 or as in today today?  I think you are even smart enough to even get what post I am talking about since I even took some parts of that post on my reply to you.

 




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Seriously you are grasping at straws here.



Yoshiya said:

You don't need to give me advice on how to play, I've played a good 6/7 or so games so I've got enough experience playing this game.

Don't talk as if I know what happened in your last game, I wasn't there and I haven't been over any of the other games that occured in my absence. It sounds like you had a lucky game where your reads were correct and that's given you a large degree of arrogance going into this game. Just because you were right once, doesn't mean you'll be right again. Anaylse without assuming your correct or the time or you're going to be analysing wrong.

Back to the main point of the post though, yes, considering that Day talk is a thing is something that we should do, but at the same time, acting as if it's a given is something you can't do. Especially considering Prof is the host. In his previous games Prof has often liked to mix things up and I wouldn't be surprised if the same was true here.

Just because you are experianced doesn't mean you won't make mistakes.. I am leaning town on you so consider my advice an attempt to protect town because if any of the people you have defended so far turn out to be mafia then the first thing the rest of the team is going to do is turn on you and try for a mislynch. I've seen it before and I've done it before with great success. Perhaps you are right, perhaps my last game was luck? Or perhaps it was putting knowledge and experiance to good use. Considering the game before it was a perfect victory in large part thanks to work I put in I'm thinking it has less to do with luck. Then again maybe I am just really lucky. Either way you say it's arrogance, I say it's putting a healthy dose of fear into the hearts of mafia. Let's be frank there are a lot of intelligent and experianced people here, and if half of us are town then mafia should be terrified, and they have good reason to be.

I am glad we are at least on the same page. I am not acting as if it is a given that it is in this game, what is a given is that it should at least be considered. Especially if you are experianced which is something I am happy we agree on. Whether or not there is daytalk or pre-game talk it doesn't sit well with me how much alike their analyses of Eric was, it doesn't sit well with me that they both assumed he was town after he seriously voted for the lead investigator at the time after he was painted as a healing role by smeags. They both listed mutiple possibilities all of which lead to him being town for sure and disregarded any possibility that Eric is mafia. You say I am arrogant but I am not so arrogant to ignore the fact that no single person can win this game alone. I need you if you are town and every other town member to continue offering input and insight, asking questions, following leads, pushing people and getting the truth. If youi think any of my analyses is wrong then let me know, I do appreciate it. If you think I am wrong, but especially if you think I am right please push those people and either clear them or finger them. If we can do that and keep our heads on straight, use good logic and try not to tunnel too much then a town win is in the bag.



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I don't think the focus on the post's number is actually proving anything. Miscounting the posts is a simple and I don't think anyone's strategy would even use that. The number of posts and activity is far more important. Going on this point isn't really going anywhere.
Mafia day talk is a valid possibility with everyone having powers but then again prof isn't very traditional so who's to say.
Another point I thinking about is his definitions being loose so to speak. Being a part of the game's playable roster may not be a requirement. Characters one may think are town may be Mafia in this case for some strange. Not sure if all this is the case but, it is a good idea when someone decides to claim a character



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Okay I'm back. Nickles, could you get back to the notes? They were really interesting.

Though I must say Nickles, don't be overconfident. Remember, last game you tunneled Carl the whole time. You technically didn't catch scum yourself, you just set the trap that caught them. It was prof that caught them all. I'm not trying to discredit you, as your gambit paid off beautifully, but it means your gambits are good, not necessarily your investigative skills. And the game before that was not a perfect victory thanks to you, that's way overstepping it. That was town's failure, not our victory, and you should know that. I'm all for putting fear into the hearts of scum, but boasting things that anyone who watched the last two games knows is false isn't the way to do that. It's a way to make the mafia not take you seriously. Remember when we won, prof's overconfidence played a huge part in it? I see you heading down that path right now.

I don't doubt that, supposing you're town, you're a great asset to us even if you're vanilla, but you'll make scum fear you not by boasting, but by being active and having a good head on your shoulders. Which is what you already are doing, so keep it up! I'm sure scum already fears you, but you'll ruin that if you keep this up.

Sorry, end rant. We actually got close last time, and there's no nuclear powered serial killer this time, so I don't want to screw this up.

Right now I'm trying to decide what to think about radish. Did he really think padib was that good of a vote? I mean I could see some people jumping on it, but Mr. "I vote no-lynch even when we have 5 days to catch the SK or we all die" seems like the least likely to jump on it. It's not enough to go on yet, but I'm keeping it in mind.

Cone, I appreciate that you're considering lots of angles, but I don't appreciate that you call out Nickle's behavior in one sentence and then saying it's a good idea the next. Sure an investigation into Noctis might be good, but if you think Nickles is handling it wrong, say so, and then say how you think it should be done. I agree it's going in circles, so I'm going to try my hand at it now.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
Seriously you are grasping at straws here.


Perhaps he is. You weren't around before, apparently because of work. If you become more active, I'm content to leave it at that. So let's try another angle, maybe it'll be more productive. So tell me this: Why spurge? Sure, obligatory vote, okay, I get that, but even an obligatory vote has to have reasoning. Even if it was a joke it should make sense. Explain it to me.



AstroGamer said:
I don't think the focus on the post's number is actually proving anything. Miscounting the posts is a simple and I don't think anyone's strategy would even use that. The number of posts and activity is far more important. Going on this point isn't really going anywhere.
Mafia day talk is a valid possibility with everyone having powers but then again prof isn't very traditional so who's to say.
Another point I thinking about is his definitions being loose so to speak. Being a part of the game's playable roster may not be a requirement. Characters one may think are town may be Mafia in this case for some strange. Not sure if all this is the case but, it is a good idea when someone decides to claim a character


Post counts prove nothing?

Prof's non-traditionalness means day talk is LESS of a possibility?

Characters could be outside the roster and good and bad guys won't match the flavor?

 

Come on, these are all defenses against some of the most scummy behavior out there. You're basically telling us not to follow any leads we have so far. I'm really confused what your point about post number is anyway. First you say the number of posts prove nothing, then you say number of posts is more important. The whole point of Nickles argument was that the post count was ZERO and Noctis was trying to say it wasn't. It feels like you're trying to defend Noctis, while at the same time saying Noctis doesn't need defending. I agree that we've too little to go on with Noctis, but if you think we're getting nowhere with it, then start investigating, not defending.

The fact that this is a role madness game where most if not all people have powers should tell you prof's non-traditionalness is already at work. I'm not saying we should assume there's day talk, but if there isn't day talk, prof's non-traditionalness is NOT the reason for that, as his not being traditional is just as good a reason to think there is day talk as to think there isn't.

As for not being a part of the Smash roster, what would the point of a Smash flavored game be then? Sounds like you're trying to open up the possibility of claiming a non-playable character so you can do so later and not fear a counterclaim. And then you imply that town sounding characters might be scum? The last game we played, the bad guys in the flavor were scum, and the good guys in the flavor were town. In the Fire Emblem game, the same thing happened, with the entire scum team being villains. What's the point of having flavor if it doesn't match? Sure, making flavor hunting the easy way out isn't favorable, but that's why the Fire Emblem game had fakeclaims. In both the Fire Emblem game and the Starcraft game, flavor hunting would have helped town. Yet here you are basically saying to ignore the flavor altogether. Sounds to me like you're trying to put the idea into people's heads that considering good guys for lynching is a good idea, so that you can promote a mislynch. If we consider a Mario claimer for a lynch it should be because we don't believe his Mario claim, not because we think Mario is somehow scum. In short, Occam's razor would tell us that everyone is part of the roster and good guys are town and bad guys are scum. We shouldn't be considering stuff like that until we have good reason to believe the simpler answer can't explain what we've seen.



HylianSwordsman said:
AstroGamer said:
I don't think the focus on the post's number is actually proving anything. Miscounting the posts is a simple and I don't think anyone's strategy would even use that. The number of posts and activity is far more important. Going on this point isn't really going anywhere.
Mafia day talk is a valid possibility with everyone having powers but then again prof isn't very traditional so who's to say.
Another point I thinking about is his definitions being loose so to speak. Being a part of the game's playable roster may not be a requirement. Characters one may think are town may be Mafia in this case for some strange. Not sure if all this is the case but, it is a good idea when someone decides to claim a character


Post counts prove nothing?

Prof's non-traditionalness means day talk is LESS of a possibility?

Characters could be outside the roster and good and bad guys won't match the flavor?

 

Come on, these are all defenses against some of the most scummy behavior out there. You're basically telling us not to follow any leads we have so far. I'm really confused what your point about post number is anyway. First you say the number of posts prove nothing, then you say number of posts is more important. The whole point of Nickles argument was that the post count was ZERO and Noctis was trying to say it wasn't. It feels like you're trying to defend Noctis, while at the same time saying Noctis doesn't need defending. I agree that we've too little to go on with Noctis, but if you think we're getting nowhere with it, then start investigating, not defending.

The fact that this is a role madness game where most if not all people have powers should tell you prof's non-traditionalness is already at work. I'm not saying we should assume there's day talk, but if there isn't day talk, prof's non-traditionalness is NOT the reason for that, as his not being traditional is just as good a reason to think there is day talk as to think there isn't.

As for not being a part of the Smash roster, what would the point of a Smash flavored game be then? Sounds like you're trying to open up the possibility of claiming a non-playable character so you can do so later and not fear a counterclaim. And then you imply that town sounding characters might be scum? The last game we played, the bad guys in the flavor were scum, and the good guys in the flavor were town. In the Fire Emblem game, the same thing happened, with the entire scum team being villains. What's the point of having flavor if it doesn't match? Sure, making flavor hunting the easy way out isn't favorable, but that's why the Fire Emblem game had fakeclaims. In both the Fire Emblem game and the Starcraft game, flavor hunting would have helped town. Yet here you are basically saying to ignore the flavor altogether. Sounds to me like you're trying to put the idea into people's heads that considering good guys for lynching is a good idea, so that you can promote a mislynch. If we consider a Mario claimer for a lynch it should be because we don't believe his Mario claim, not because we think Mario is somehow scum. In short, Occam's razor would tell us that everyone is part of the roster and good guys are town and bad guys are scum. We shouldn't be considering stuff like that until we have good reason to believe the simpler answer can't explain what we've seen.

I said post count is far more important than remembering which post is which. Read a bit carefully. Nickels was harping on Noctis for misrembering which post it was. No one sees that as a serious lead. Maybe a setup for a slip up but that's all.

Smash is very different in terms of mafia and scum. The last time we had a smash mafia game, Marth was the leader of the mafia if I recall correctly. Admittedly that themed around Melee tiers but we cannot make quick judgements. Also, the flavor strongly suggests that this isn't quite the roster we see in Smash with Captain Falcon already confirmed not in this game.



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padib said:
radishhead said:

Not sure- I thought he was just trying to find a discussion point, but I couldn't know his true motives. I'm just not happy with how quickly some users started jumping onto it.

You sure are content because you are scum and will use that to paint people as opportunists when you should actually be putting pressure on him too.

But you won't because you are most probably his ally.

You are content. Meanwhile town is beyond depressed.

To me the tone of this response seems more in line with a Mafia trying to send attention the other way for the sake of himself and the success of his teammates than a user who genuinely wants town to have the best chance at winning.



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