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spurgeonryan said:

For the heck of if.

 

vote: khan


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Clyde32 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Clyde32 said:
Alright, so if we lynch spurge, who is the scum?


I'm not sure what you are asking.

I'm asking, assuming spurge is not scum, if we lynch him, who would be the scum?

khan and hylian will be looking at stefl. Stefl looking at one of them. I'll need to thing of all the scenarios that could happen with vaious people lying plus, the missing night actions, though as of the things I've run so far hylian would be my top suspect should spurge flip town, but a lot more though would need to be put into it, plus another set of night actions and probable missing body.



If there is indeed a second rogue faction running around, it would be quite difficult to spot, and then why was there only one night with two mafia actions? Unless stefl managed to successful divert one of the factions night one, and one of the factions targeted me night three and was pinged by stefl's immunity.

My guess is that there's only scum, beyond our triumphant overlord Smeags anyway. The double-act night two was a one-shot poison weapon, possibly held by the mystery fourth man on the team.



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I think the man of mystery could be impertinence, who has floated the "third faction" idea.

Yes, he voted for padib day one. He has notably not voted since, and he got the hammer vote after i was already two votes ahead, down to the last moments of Day One. He could possibly felt it was a lost cause at that point (the ONLY point in the voting where my victory was secure because padib was up by two when imp dropped the hammer), acknowledging defeat he moved to "clear" himself by dropping the hammer vote, and has notably sat around and done little but foment uncertainty since.

All just a theory, of course, but it's more bricks down for when we lynch spurge and yet the band plays on.



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Wonktonodi said:
impertinence said:
So I guess the cat is out of the bag; Hylian is right, I was at Spurge's last night and I did protect him. In addition I can add that I believe the poisoning of Nickles was done by a serial killer and that Spurge is not that SK (neither are/were Smeags and Wonk). I also think that with a third party jester and a strong likelihood of a third party SK that there is just one scum team and thus no longer a bus driver in play. Which means that I think either Spurge is indeed carrying a bat around or Khan is lying about it. I am very convinced Spurge is scum.


Could you explain more about how your role clears people from being the sk?

Sure thing. My role is a modified doctor role that also works as a psychologist. Basically, I can protect someone at Night and they will be safe from harm. In addition, if my target is a serial killer they are cured. The PM doesn't 100% confirm that there is a serial killer, but the way it is worded I find it very unlikely that there isn't one. I know that smeags, wonk ans spurge are not a sk because i recieved a no result type response for each one. 

Basically my role forces me to chose wether I try to cure the SK, or protect a power role. With the protection we've been able to give Khan I've been looking for the SK at Night.



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spurgeonryan said:
So two third parties this game, smeags being a wilted flame compared to a serial killer, and a scum team.

Since things are still crazy without a redirector that kind of makes sense. But khan did not answer my question about if each night check of him shows items or just scum had items. Would mean he is probbly the supposed sk if there is one or a powerful scumate. Or something is clouding his scans...

imp, why would he protect me? or was it to be able to find out if i was an sk or not? if so then I will lean away from him. Never heard of that type of role though.

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I thought you might be the sk so I targeted you. You are not the SK, though that would explain your bat



I can't help but think that the true sequence of events that happened on that night is very different to what we believe. I know I said I doubt that Spurge is town earlier, but it's really splitting me- I'm trying to think of a scenario where he's telling the truth about his role (as well as Khan), but unless there are other roles going on that we don't know about, it is impossible.

On the other hand- one thing that is making me unsure about Spurge is how much he keeps playing up how doomed the town will be if we lose the Tracker. It's not even the best role ever, especially in a round where we know that everybody has a power role



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radishhead said:
I can't help but think that the true sequence of events that happened on that night is very different to what we believe. I know I said I doubt that Spurge is town earlier, but it's really splitting me- I'm trying to think of a scenario where he's telling the truth about his role (as well as Khan), but unless there are other roles going on that we don't know about, it is impossible.

On the other hand- one thing that is making me unsure about Spurge is how much he keeps playing up how doomed the town will be if we lose the Tracker. It's not even the best role ever, especially in a round where we know that everybody has a power role


The fact he is continued denying of having a bat despite Khan having been pretty much solidly proven to be "item cop" makes me certain Spurge is scum.

If anyone were to be the serial killer, I'm considering it would be Imp considering the psychologist role claim is a decent cover for serial killer 



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radishhead said:
I can't help but think that the true sequence of events that happened on that night is very different to what we believe. I know I said I doubt that Spurge is town earlier, but it's really splitting me- I'm trying to think of a scenario where he's telling the truth about his role (as well as Khan), but unless there are other roles going on that we don't know about, it is impossible.

On the other hand- one thing that is making me unsure about Spurge is how much he keeps playing up how doomed the town will be if we lose the Tracker. It's not even the best role ever, especially in a round where we know that everybody has a power role

The Spurge, Khan situation is pretty cut and dry. The way I see it it sort of breaks down like this:

Spurge has a bat and is lying about it to try and save his ass again (most likely)

Khan has been trolling us all game and have bene fabricating scans (more likely if Spurge should turn up town)

Clyde is a redirector of some sort as he is the last unclaimed role. (this would probably mean two scum teams which I find unlikely)

Someone else is lying about their role (not unlikely, but difficult to prove right now)

Either way, flipping Spurge is the only reasonable outcome of today, and assuming he turns up scum we need to find out who he is working with. It won't be Radish or Khan, probably not Wonk since Spurge is trying to sell protecting for him toNight (I am thinking Spurge is trying to frame an unconfirmed to us town as his scum buddy). It could be Astro who has been suspicios and was nominated as the next lynch after Spurge is out of the way all the way back by Nickles, or it could be that Clyde needs to step out of the shadows for a closer look. I guess you'd have to look into me as well since I've been confirmed as having protected Spurge at Night last Night.

If Spurge is town, then we either have to stop trusting Khans scans or assume that he has been faking his scans the whole time (could be an explanation for how he came up with a result on yoshia when Spurge says he never left his house), or it means there is still a manipulative role out there that is messing with Khan. I have a hard time seeing how Khans scans could be compromised at this point in the game though, but I also freely admit that the number of roles and deflections and possibilities in this game is difficult for me to keep track of. For a while I was thinking that it would be possible for Stefl to target Spurge last Night and 'steal' the scan on Spurge by Khan, but if that was the case Spurge would have tracked me to Stefl and not himself right? In any case, I am pretty sure Spurge won't flip town, but we should consider the possibilities so we don't get completely blindsided going into the Night if we've really been played that hard.



Fighting about the bat is what seals your fate here. I really think it's a stretch for other townsfolk here to think that i've been lying after i caught Yoshiya, but you've claimed Ness, it would be natural to have a bat. Instead of trying Yoshiya's route, where he was all "yeah, i've got a balance board, it's for my power," which is a good argument because it creates doubt not about my role or my claimed scans but about how useful my power is, you instead try to deny it. What profit could there be in denying it?



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