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Yoshiya on 17 October 2014
AstroGamer said:
Yoshiya seems like he could be one of the scum possibly trying to hide the fact his power seems anti town but if he were, he could come up with a better power claim than "I don't understand what my power does". I guess the scum who poisoned Nickles could have a character like Olimar who is the only character that I can think off the top of my head with Poison powers though if Olimar is in the game, I would say each of his Pikmin can do a one shot ability

Also, it's a terrible idea for Town to lynch me.

I never said I don't understand what my role does, I'm just confused as to what it does in this situation. As everyone seems to be insistent on my role claiming, I guess it's unavoidable.

I'm a town busdriver. I did nothing Night 1 so as to avoid messing with any powerful town roles, I still recieved the message about being roleblocked however, meaning I believe you'll always get the message if you're blocked. Night 2 I targeted Spurge and then Astro, as I was pretty sure Spurge was mafia after what occurred and I always distrusted Astro. I was thus hoping that I could redirect a mafia kill back on their own team. The paradox comes because if Stefl lightning rod'ed me, I'd take him to Astro instead. However, if Stefl targeted Astro instead of Spurge, then I couldn't have been attracted to Stefl. The name of my power comes from the fact that I target "one" and take them to "two".

I have no idea why my item is a balance board based on my ability, I checked my PM and it's not mentioned anywhere in there. Maybe because I change the balance of the game?



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Wonktonodi on 17 October 2014

Too many stories that don't add up. I'll try and sort it out in the morning



Stefl1504 on 17 October 2014

Okay, so, I believe that Yoshiya is a fucking normal bus driver from what I got... now the question is, if Khan does see potentially dangerous items (since bus drivers actually can be dangerous)

Well, as I see it, spurge is lying anyway, there is no way he should've been blocked - specially without me seeing it.

The balance board makes kinda sense for this role. Well, and finally from a town perspective drivering away from spurge would also make more sense - because - you know, he can't be blocked, of course then again it would mean that I would be driven - like i said there are some paradoxes with my role, but my role is confirmed to grab in first. Now, with spurge telling us a jester targeting someone, me failing to realise that he has been lying. And finally, he is claiming that he got blocked tonight, which, with any particular actions going through shouldn't have happened, now what makes me wonder, how specific yoshiya at first was with spurge, while he then added astro to the equasion.



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Wonktonodi on 17 October 2014
Stefl1504 said:
Okay, so, I believe that Yoshiya is a fucking normal bus driver from what I got... now the question is, if Khan does see potentially dangerous items (since bus drivers actually can be dangerous)

Well, as I see it, spurge is lying anyway, there is no way he should've been blocked - specially without me seeing it.

The balance board makes kinda sense for this role. Well, and finally from a town perspective drivering away from spurge would also make more sense - because - you know, he can't be blocked, of course then again it would mean that I would be driven - like i said there are some paradoxes with my role, but my role is confirmed to grab in first. Now, with spurge telling us a jester targeting someone, me failing to realise that he has been lying. And finally, he is claiming that he got blocked tonight, which, with any particular actions going through shouldn't have happened, now what makes me wonder, how specific yoshiya at first was with spurge, while he then added astro to the equasion.

1 khan had a scan on yoshi that came back with te balance board, while it didn't come back with the watch

2. why would yoshi target 2 players he thinks are scum to try and redirect a kill

3. why not use the power on night 1 to extend protection to another player?



Wonktonodi on 17 October 2014
HylianSwordsman said:


It seems to me that there are either two mafias, a mafia and an SK, or a mafia that can kill two people at night. The latter seems way overpowered, even if the 2nd kill is X-shot. I don't think we have enough suspects for a second mafia, so I'm leaning towards an SK.

To those accusing me: Think back to day one. I tunneled Khan. Look at my initial reasoning however, and you'll see it was based on his play seeming scummy. Even Nickles said so. There was genuine logic to my suspicions. It made sense for me to go after him. After he revealed as cop, I should have stopped, but I told myself he might be lying to save his ass. Now tell me, would a godfather continue tunneling the cop? Lead the cop's lynch, when the cop wants to scan him and clear him? No, he'd switch so he could take advantage of his godfather role. Instead, I determinedly went after him, risking all credibility on the hope that I was right. Straight up unto the end, even after it was too late to turn back, you can see me state my confidence that Khan was the right choice. I genuinely believed he was scum until he cleared me. But his merely saying I was town would just have a 50-50 chance, it wouldn't have cleared him in my mind, but I had more reason than that.

I am Mr. Game & Watch, town voyeur. It's a rather useless role, but the wiki says it's useful for confirming powers. The flavor is that I, er...am literally a voyeur. That is, I do my neutral A attack, where he pumps his tube of insecticide, but it's not a tube of insecticide. Prof has a sense of humor. In addition, I can choose to use my two-dimensionality, which makes me turn sideways and become intangible, and thus untargetable, so basically a commuter effect, but this is x-shot. I watch what is done to people, not who does it. The first night, I watched myself but did not use the 2-D effect. I was indeed investigated. Khan is most definitely a cop, the flavor matched and everything. I stopped suspecting him because I had fairly hard evidence that he was telling the truth.

I don't know what spurge did last night, but he didn't target Khan. I did, and there was no tracking performed on Khan. He may have been roleblocked, or bussed, or otherwise redirected, or perhaps Khan's immunity influenced things, but from my perspective, and according to the logic of Occam's razor, spurge looks like scum. If you're not spurge, I apologize, but this is what I have seen...and fapped to.

Reasons that even a godfather would try and get a cop lynched.

to save a scum team mate

to prevent the cop from scanning anyone else

withthe rules this game a cop could be very hard to kill

should you try and target the cop at night somone else might see you



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Wonktonodi on 17 October 2014
spurgeonryan said:
You people are incredible. Instead of checking into others half the players looked into me last night!

And you all say I am hurting town with my play. Bah!


stelf's claim is so that those who target you would target him instead to stop manipulative roles.

Yoshi's claim is highly suspect asto why he targeted you

Hylian claims to have targeted khan and he didn't see you

Radish targeted you, because he thought it would be some extra way to test you.

In all these claims there doesn't seem to be a roleblocker in there, and while there was the plausibility that khan didn't go anywhere himself, Hylian says that he didn't see anyone track khan last night.



Mr Khan on 17 October 2014

I'm still not 100% on yoshiya, but i think spurge's story's getting weaker.

unvote
vote:spurgeonryan

Really should've done that yesterday.



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Stefl1504 on 17 October 2014
Yoshiya said:
Good afternoon everyone~

I could have sworn I left my vote on Khan yesterDay (says in the votals that I didn't vote at all). Worked out for the best in the end but for anyone analysing me from my votes, do it as if my vote was on Khan.

For now I don't have a huge amount to add to the conversation (need to reconsider my suspects after padib's flip) but I can say that for some reason my action didn't go through properly last Night...

vs

Yoshiya said:
AstroGamer said:
Yoshiya seems like he could be one of the scum possibly trying to hide the fact his power seems anti town but if he were, he could come up with a better power claim than "I don't understand what my power does". I guess the scum who poisoned Nickles could have a character like Olimar who is the only character that I can think off the top of my head with Poison powers though if Olimar is in the game, I would say each of his Pikmin can do a one shot ability

Also, it's a terrible idea for Town to lynch me.

I never said I don't understand what my role does, I'm just confused as to what it does in this situation. As everyone seems to be insistent on my role claiming, I guess it's unavoidable.

I'm a town busdriver. I did nothing Night 1 so as to avoid messing with any powerful town roles, I still recieved the message about being roleblocked however, meaning I believe you'll always get the message if you're blocked. Night 2 I targeted Spurge and then Astro, as I was pretty sure Spurge was mafia after what occurred and I always distrusted Astro. I was thus hoping that I could redirect a mafia kill back on their own team. The paradox comes because if Stefl lightning rod'ed me, I'd take him to Astro instead. However, if Stefl targeted Astro instead of Spurge, then I couldn't have been attracted to Stefl. The name of my power comes from the fact that I target "one" and take them to "two".

I have no idea why my item is a balance board based on my ability, I checked my PM and it's not mentioned anywhere in there. Maybe because I change the balance of the game?

anyone else seeing a problem there, because I sure do...

Vote: Yoshiya



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Wonktonodi on 17 October 2014
Stefl1504 said:
Yoshiya said:
Good afternoon everyone~

I could have sworn I left my vote on Khan yesterDay (says in the votals that I didn't vote at all). Worked out for the best in the end but for anyone analysing me from my votes, do it as if my vote was on Khan.

For now I don't have a huge amount to add to the conversation (need to reconsider my suspects after padib's flip) but I can say that for some reason my action didn't go through properly last Night...

vs

Yoshiya said:
AstroGamer said:
Yoshiya seems like he could be one of the scum possibly trying to hide the fact his power seems anti town but if he were, he could come up with a better power claim than "I don't understand what my power does". I guess the scum who poisoned Nickles could have a character like Olimar who is the only character that I can think off the top of my head with Poison powers though if Olimar is in the game, I would say each of his Pikmin can do a one shot ability

Also, it's a terrible idea for Town to lynch me.

I never said I don't understand what my role does, I'm just confused as to what it does in this situation. As everyone seems to be insistent on my role claiming, I guess it's unavoidable.

I'm a town busdriver. I did nothing Night 1 so as to avoid messing with any powerful town roles, I still recieved the message about being roleblocked however, meaning I believe you'll always get the message if you're blocked. Night 2 I targeted Spurge and then Astro, as I was pretty sure Spurge was mafia after what occurred and I always distrusted Astro. I was thus hoping that I could redirect a mafia kill back on their own team. The paradox comes because if Stefl lightning rod'ed me, I'd take him to Astro instead. However, if Stefl targeted Astro instead of Spurge, then I couldn't have been attracted to Stefl. The name of my power comes from the fact that I target "one" and take them to "two".

I have no idea why my item is a balance board based on my ability, I checked my PM and it's not mentioned anywhere in there. Maybe because I change the balance of the game?

anyone else seeing a problem there, because I sure do...

Vote: Yoshiya

another layer to the flaws



Stefl1504 on 17 October 2014
Wonktonodi said:
Stefl1504 said:
Okay, so, I believe that Yoshiya is a fucking normal bus driver from what I got... now the question is, if Khan does see potentially dangerous items (since bus drivers actually can be dangerous)

Well, as I see it, spurge is lying anyway, there is no way he should've been blocked - specially without me seeing it.

The balance board makes kinda sense for this role. Well, and finally from a town perspective drivering away from spurge would also make more sense - because - you know, he can't be blocked, of course then again it would mean that I would be driven - like i said there are some paradoxes with my role, but my role is confirmed to grab in first. Now, with spurge telling us a jester targeting someone, me failing to realise that he has been lying. And finally, he is claiming that he got blocked tonight, which, with any particular actions going through shouldn't have happened, now what makes me wonder, how specific yoshiya at first was with spurge, while he then added astro to the equasion.

1 khan had a scan on yoshi that came back with te balance board, while it didn't come back with the watch

2. why would yoshi target 2 players he thinks are scum to try and redirect a kill

3. why not use the power on night 1 to extend protection to another player?

1. I am still not sure how Khans role exactly interacts with people

2. I guess he wanted to acchieve what I wanted to acchieve by targeting spurge - doesn't matter tho really, since Yoshi also has some huge inconsistencies

3. Bus Drivers only compromise protection, not extend it

As I stand currently, both Yoshi and Spurge are proven to lie, now the bigger problem is who of the two is more likely to be mafia ... or even if at the same side of mafia, who of the two is more likely to be the stronger role for their side.



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