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Mr Khan said:
But Hylian has no weapon. If we judge him as possible scum, then we also have to admit that my power is basically worthless, which i'm not willing to buy.


There is always the possibility that you were blocked or your read was altered. Perhaps balance bored counters your read, changes the balance so instead of seeing a dangerous item you see no item. Just because one person doesn't have an item doesn't mean your power is useless when the entire team likely has one. Remember last game? I forget last game was it Theprof or someone else that cleared Wright? If I remember right theprof went to slap him but couldn't find him and ended up clearing him. Or was it someone else?

Anyways if Hylian is town then that means either wonk which I don't believe or spurg which is likly since stefl is most likly our only tracker. 



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Wonktonodi said:
Nicklesbe said:

Clydes behavior was a bit strange day one, could simply be because he is new. Cone was activly scum hunting, and tho imps activity has dropped he still gave a town read. Plus all three voted for padib. As far as I'm concerned they are all confirmed town until my theory is disproven which evidence so far seems to support that it is true.

We'll see. currently I do put your thee suspects over, the 3 I listed, but when imp voted, it was no longer as close and he then got protection or stopped any townie from getting it if he is scum so his vote isn't as meaningful.

@khan one more thing, an outed cop so early in a role heavy game can be rather worthless unfortunately.


That is a possibility, however when push comes to shove I don't believe any mafia would vote for their own on day one. They would have to be completely immune to stress and not care about winning or thier team. I honestly think they would clam up and keep their vote on a mislynch just in case, not vote at all or explode like sparks did last game and push suspicion on anyone, but especially the other most suspicious person around that's not mafia.



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Nicklesbe said:
Mr Khan said:
But Hylian has no weapon. If we judge him as possible scum, then we also have to admit that my power is basically worthless, which i'm not willing to buy.


There is always the possibility that you were blocked or your read was altered. Perhaps balance bored counters your read, changes the balance so instead of seeing a dangerous item you see no item. Just because one person doesn't have an item doesn't mean your power is useless when the entire team likely has one. Remember last game? I forget last game was it Theprof or someone else that cleared Wright? If I remember right theprof went to slap him but couldn't find him and ended up clearing him. Or was it someone else?

Anyways if Hylian is town then that means either wonk which I don't believe or spurg which is likly since stefl is most likly our only tracker. 

no in last game is was that some considered him clear because he claimed a scanning role.



Wonktonodi said:
Nicklesbe said:
Mr Khan said:
But Hylian has no weapon. If we judge him as possible scum, then we also have to admit that my power is basically worthless, which i'm not willing to buy.


There is always the possibility that you were blocked or your read was altered. Perhaps balance bored counters your read, changes the balance so instead of seeing a dangerous item you see no item. Just because one person doesn't have an item doesn't mean your power is useless when the entire team likely has one. Remember last game? I forget last game was it Theprof or someone else that cleared Wright? If I remember right theprof went to slap him but couldn't find him and ended up clearing him. Or was it someone else?

Anyways if Hylian is town then that means either wonk which I don't believe or spurg which is likly since stefl is most likly our only tracker. 

no in last game is was that some considered him clear because he claimed a scanning role.

Someone tried to scan him but couldn't find him. that's when he came up with the excuse that he was a science vessle so he wasn't there.



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Nicklesbe said:
Wonktonodi said:
Nicklesbe said:

Clydes behavior was a bit strange day one, could simply be because he is new. Cone was activly scum hunting, and tho imps activity has dropped he still gave a town read. Plus all three voted for padib. As far as I'm concerned they are all confirmed town until my theory is disproven which evidence so far seems to support that it is true.

We'll see. currently I do put your thee suspects over, the 3 I listed, but when imp voted, it was no longer as close and he then got protection or stopped any townie from getting it if he is scum so his vote isn't as meaningful.

@khan one more thing, an outed cop so early in a role heavy game can be rather worthless unfortunately.


That is a possibility, however when push comes to shove I don't believe any mafia would vote for their own on day one. They would have to be completely immune to stress and not care about winning or thier team. I honestly think they would clam up and keep their vote on a mislynch just in case, not vote at all or explode like sparks did last game and push suspicion on anyone, but especially the other most suspicious person around that's not mafia.


not immune to stress, just looking at the big picture, it only takes one mafia to win, and just like town to win they need to not be afraid to sacrifice one of their own and as I said Imp was the hammer vote, when khan claimed his power and padib didn't, Padib should have been lynched much sooner.



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Nicklesbe said:
Wonktonodi said:
Nicklesbe said:
Mr Khan said:
But Hylian has no weapon. If we judge him as possible scum, then we also have to admit that my power is basically worthless, which i'm not willing to buy.


There is always the possibility that you were blocked or your read was altered. Perhaps balance bored counters your read, changes the balance so instead of seeing a dangerous item you see no item. Just because one person doesn't have an item doesn't mean your power is useless when the entire team likely has one. Remember last game? I forget last game was it Theprof or someone else that cleared Wright? If I remember right theprof went to slap him but couldn't find him and ended up clearing him. Or was it someone else?

Anyways if Hylian is town then that means either wonk which I don't believe or spurg which is likly since stefl is most likly our only tracker. 

no in last game is was that some considered him clear because he claimed a scanning role.

Someone tried to scan him but couldn't find him. that's when he came up with the excuse that he was a science vessle so he wasn't there.

I though it was that Padib said he had sent an EM pulse. all the same, he wasn't though of as town because a player scanned him a town, it's because people believed his fales claims more than padibs.



Wonktonodi said:


not immune to stress, just looking at the big picture, it only takes one mafia to win, and just like town to win they need to not be afraid to sacrifice one of their own and as I said Imp was the hammer vote, when khan claimed his power and padib didn't, Padib should have been lynched much sooner.


Yeah big picture which is why it's always a terrible idea to vote your own on day one. It's suicide on day one. big picture wise it's incredibly easy to coax a mislynch day one. Look at the context of the day, it's not like Imp pushed for khans lynch all day then suddenly jumped on padib. He followed logic and reasoning. Plus again mafia is not going to vote out their ninja on day one especially when the votes could be coaxed back to khan at any moment. It was close until the very end. It just doesn't make any sense. Again until we get evidence that supports the theory that any mafia voted for their team, its not something we can assume, especially since all evidence and logic so far points to the fact that all anti-town voted for(whether their vote counted or not) khan. The way it sits now we have to descide between Hylian and spurg. If that is too hard of a choice right now then lets works backwards by voting for Yoshi and astro first and save those two for last. At this point it's simply a numbers game and the numbers line up. So if both Astro and Yoshi are mafia as I beleive they are then that proves my theory and leaves the last lynch between Hylian and Spurg. In the mean time we can always test spurg again or trust him to target someone else.

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Vote: Yoshia



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Nicklesbe said:
Wonktonodi said:


not immune to stress, just looking at the big picture, it only takes one mafia to win, and just like town to win they need to not be afraid to sacrifice one of their own and as I said Imp was the hammer vote, when khan claimed his power and padib didn't, Padib should have been lynched much sooner.


Yeah big picture which is why it's always a terrible idea to vote your own on day one. It's suicide on day one. big picture wise it's incredibly easy to coax a mislynch day one. Look at the context of the day, it's not like Imp pushed for khans lynch all day then suddenly jumped on padib. He followed logic and reasoning. Plus again mafia is not going to vote out their ninja on day one especially when the votes could be coaxed back to khan at any moment. It was close until the very end. It just doesn't make any sense. Again until we get evidence that supports the theory that any mafia voted for their team, its not something we can assume, especially since all evidence and logic so far points to the fact that all anti-town voted for(whether their vote counted or not) khan. The way it sits now we have to descide between Hylian and spurg. If that is too hard of a choice right now then lets works backwards by voting for Yoshi and astro first and save those two for last. At this point it's simply a numbers game and the numbers line up. So if both Astro and Yoshi are mafia as I beleive they are then that proves my theory and leaves the last lynch between Hylian and Spurg. In the mean time we can always test spurg again or trust him to target someone else.

Unvote:

Vote: Yoshia

losing one scum is much better than incriminating the entire team. though I always hope they do and a role like this shows up. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sensor



Wonktonodi said:

losing one scum is much better than incriminating the entire team. though I always hope they do and a role like this shows up. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sensor


In retrospect sure but in the heat of the moment mafia isn't going to think like that, especially if some of them arn't on. 9/10 times mafia is going to push for the mislynch. They see it within their grasp and they are going to go for it. The only player experianced enough to even consider going after their own team on day one was Noctis and they are dead and turned out to be town.



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I'll hold off on suspecting hylian until other possibilities are eliminated.

For now, i'm going to (next line) in order to force a better answer out of him.

vote:Yoshiya



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