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Nicklesbe on 02 September 2014
padib said:

I also agree that the author was wrong, but minus the clarification I would say that it is less wrong than an offensive comment.

@Tamron. Why didn't you say that to Veritaz when he confronted me about being "off topic", and to bubblegamer when he called out OP for "clickbait", yeah?

I'm sorry but no I don't mean to argue but the article is far more offensive. Lets go back to your example about a fraudulent study that misrepresented data and ignored fact and ultimatly  claimed black people had less intelligence. Who is more offensive, the ignorant guy that made a a bad joke based on the fraudulent information, or the guy who made the study in the first place? 

I hope you can see the distinction there. One person is clearly making an ignorant assumption based on false and negative propaganda and makes a bad joke referencing it. The other in this case the author of that article with an ulterior motive is intentionally misrepresenting/ignoring facts in order to create negative propaganda and tries to pass it off as fact to influence others. Evil propaganda creator > ignorant victem of evil propaganda. In short the author of the article passing BS as fact all in the name of bashing/discrediting Sony is far more in the wrong.



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naruball on 02 September 2014
Hynad said:
Tamron said:
Lol, the author of OP's article got the litteral shit ripped out of him in the comments.


And he made an edit: **Update** I’ve been informed that Sony says they own 78% of the home console market with their numbers starting in 2014. This is of course to incorporate the launch of the PS4, and to exclude any good sales the Wii had in previous years. I still believe this is PR spin because they only go from 2014, Market Share isn’t dictated from 2014 and on. Its based on the total amount of consoles sold in comparison to the competition. I honestly feel this is a dishonest way of determining market share. Especially midway through the year with the launch of your system against other systems who have already launched.  Thanks NanoShock for clarifying things 

Now, we know that sales since the beginning of time should be included in the market shares. I mean, if the author of this crap expects the Wii to be included, even though it is NOT selling anymore, why stop there? Let's also inclue de Gamecube, Dreamcast, PS2, Nintendo64, Saturn and PS1! Why stop there? Everything should be included! ¬_¬

Quoted for sense. Unlike the wii, the ps3 is still selling relatively well in Japan and has been getting new games for the last years. When was the last time the wii was relevant? When was the last time a third party game for it was announced?

Much dishonest, very Sony, wow.



Tamron on 02 September 2014
padib said:

@Tamron. Why didn't you say that to Veritaz when he confronted me about being "off topic", and to bubblegamer when he called out OP for "clickbait", yeah?

Because it seems like a concept they already grasp, they were, at the very least, keeping on topic.



Chromeo on 02 September 2014

Huh. I mean, seems to me they didn't exactly lie. They specified a specific date range that made them look more favorable, but that's pretty typical PR.



Hynad on 02 September 2014
padib said:
Nicklesbe said:

I'm sorry but no I don't mean to argue but the article is far more offensive. Lets go back to your example about a fraudulent study that misrepresented data and ignored fact and ultimatly  claimed black people had less intelligence. Who is more offensive, the ignorant guy that made a a bad joke based on the fraudulent information, or the guy who made the study in the first place? 

I hope you can see the distinction there. One person is clearly making an ignorant assumption based on false and negative propaganda and makes a bad joke referencing it. The other in this case the author of that article with an ulterior motive is intentionally misrepresenting/ignoring facts in order to create negative propaganda and tries to pass it off as fact to influence others. Evil propaganda creator > ignorant victem of evil propaganda.

I said minus the clarification. By that I meant had no clarification on the joke been given, I would judge the offensive statement as worse than an insignificant article misrepresenting a few corporate numbers.

Also Evil propaganda creator of prejudicial content >>> Evil propaganda creator of biased business content.

To be fair, and honest, you feel attacked and take things personally way too easily...

I think the worse offender is always the fraudulent study. Because it is the calatyst from which the crap then comes. People are gullible, and they'll believe almost anything if it's presented in an article. The proof is right here, in the form of this very thread.



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Tamron on 02 September 2014
padib said:

If I call out a user for an offensive statement, how is that more on topic than a user who is calling me out for being supposedly "off topic".

Keep telling yourself the lies you want to hear.

Because you could have just reported it and left it at that, instead you went into a tirade about the implacations, listed a range of users you would love to ban then took every non-agreement comment since then as a personal attack.

You got moderated for breaking one of the forum rules, don't take that out on others if you feel it was unjust, take it up with the site staff.

Now please, get back on topic.



Jon-Erich on 02 September 2014

To be fair, Nintendo has ceased production on Wii hardware in Japan, although I guess they're still continuing to sell software. Other than that, yeah, Sony is doing rather pitiful in Japan right now. When you can't manage to outsell the Wii U, that really says something.



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Hynad on 02 September 2014
padib said:
Tamron said:

Because you could have just reported it and left it at that, instead you went into a tirade about the implacations, listed a range of users you would love to ban then took every non-agreement comment since then as a personal attack.

Now please, get back on topic.

I HAVE been on topic.

As I said, I think that Sony is misrepresenting the actual situation in Japan. I admit I haven't been able to find the press conference (could someone post the link please?), but so far from what I understand Sony is using these numbers and presenting an improper reality, that their presence is strong in Japan, which I hope you realize is absolutely false.

The reality is that so far in 2014, their presence is stronger than everyone else's. That is the truth. And that's exactly what they said.



Tamron on 02 September 2014
padib said:

As I said, I think that Sony is misrepresenting the actual situation in Japan. I admit I haven't been able to find the press conference (could someone post the link please?), but so far from what I understand Sony is using these numbers and presenting an improper reality, that their presence is strong in Japan, which I hope you realize is absolutely false.

The presenter, the new president of japan asia, stated clearly in his speech that it was for home consoles in 2014 - the slide on show behind him further clarified this as being from the date of japanese playstation 4 launch to current.

There was no smoke and mirrors, the data was clearly presented to all of those attending, the issue here is that foreign media, who either do not understand japanese, or simply piggybacked off of the rather poor, incomplete live translation, did not endevour to clarify or confirm the data, and ran with the very bare details of 78% ps4 and ps3, as a result of that, and the lack of clarification on the very clearly specified timeframe, many people got confused, in the case of op's linked article, actually jumped to very large, and very wrong conclusions too.

This is not a case of Sony being overly deceptive, they were pretty much transparent about it - it is a case of journalists running stories without facts or clarification - and besides i suspect even if they knew the timeframes involved, they would have omitted them because the resulting shitstorm from it, is much more profitable for them than "oh just another pr release"



Hynad on 02 September 2014
padib said:
Hynad said:

The reality is that so far in 2014, their presence is stronger than everyone else's. That is the truth. And that's exactly what they said.

To honestly make the statement that Sony's presence in Japan is acceptable, you would need to include handheld marketshare. Not only because handhelds are now the consoles of predilection in Japan, but also because Sony actually offers a portable product (the Vita).

I don't think that using what they said and the numbers to support it is showing meaningful numbers at all. Moreover the U's baseline has jumped since the month of June I believe and Nintendo always sells best during the holiday season. That's just on the home console front.


Sony's home console presence in Japan is acceptable. Yes.

Since you focus so much on Nintendo in your discussion, I would assume that you're just pissed that Sony has a stronger presence over Nintendo. You seem really annoyed that handhelds were left out of the equation. But the discussion is about home consoles, not handhelds. Believe it or not, those two markets are different.