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COLD_COBRA_ said:
So if the PS4 is doing so awful it's first year. What the hell was the wii u doing in its first year? And the PS3 became $399 in May 2007. Why is 2008 brought up?

Terribly.

It wasn't in May but November (and I woudn't consider Christmas season for obvious reasons):

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/18/sony-slashes-us-ps3-price-releases-40gb-ps3-for-399/



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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ChudStudly said:

.........but I just used points A, B and C to very clearly show you how wrong you are. What you just said about Mexico vs Russia was not.only  nonsensical, it offered no rational counterargument at all. On the other hand, myself and others have provided actual, real sales comparisons. REAL sales comparisons that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that PS4 is doing great and your analysis is heavily flawed. At this point though, I can see there's no getting through to you, so I'm bowing out. Keep on keeping on.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
Zod95 said:

It's obvious that you don't understand english. You don't know what a fallacy means (no wonder why you haven't understood what you did with your graphic), you can't acknowledge I did compare PS4 with Wii and you can't understand my posts' reasoning. Hopeless...

Zod95 said:

Excuses? Sundin13 nailed it. PS4 is getting a good weekly market share but poor sales. 100k per week is actually bad, it's even less than what PS3 was doing back in 2007/2008 when the Wii was eating it alive

The PS3 was sub-100k in the summer of 2007.

It doesn't matter if you meant "or", part of your statement is false. You did not compare it to the Wii, until after the chart showed that you where wrong.

This is basic reading comprehension here.





Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

mornelithe said:
Zod95 said:

Ok, since you don't consider them to be good, please respect my position and Sundin13's when we stood against the video claiming PS4 is having good sales. That's how this all has started and there's no point for us to continue if we don't disagree on that. Anything else if off-topic so let's just stop.

Some people here think PS4 is doing great. That's what I can't pass without commeting.

Were we watching the same video?  He wasn't talking specifically about this month, he was talking about the entire life of the PS4 thus far, in comparison to it's next-gen competitors.  You're simply making excuses to try and downplay how successful it's been thus far.  That's fine, but don't for a second presume that it actually matters, as the video stated, your excuses and goalposts are irrelevant.  The PS4 is still in the lead, and doesn't look like that'll be changing anytime soon.

He was talking about PS4 today, not since the beginning.

If the PS4 sold zero next week, it would still be in the lead but the non-sales wouldn't be good at all.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

overman1 said:

it seems to be crushing the competition and selling better than its predessesor in the same month despite the fact that many say there are little to no games for the system. Dude, if you feel the poster here are lying to themself, ewhy do you care? what is you evidence that the PS4 is suffering? why cant you just ignore the posters here or better yet provide true evidence to show us that Sony is losing money and this gen?

It would be crushing the competition if it was selling 4 units per week and XOne and WiiU selling 1 each. But those wouldn't be good sales, would they?

Why do I care? Same reason why you care about me. We're in a forum to discuss with each other.

I never said Sony was losing money.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Zod95 said:

It would be crushing the competition if it was selling 4 units per week and XOne and WiiU selling 1 each. But those wouldn't be good sales, would they?

Why do I care? Same reason why you care about me. We're in a forum to discuss with each other.

I never said Sony was losing money.

your point is that the PS4 is doing badly...you still havent provided any evidence for this.



Zod95 said:
mornelithe said:
Zod95 said:

Ok, since you don't consider them to be good, please respect my position and Sundin13's when we stood against the video claiming PS4 is having good sales. That's how this all has started and there's no point for us to continue if we don't disagree on that. Anything else if off-topic so let's just stop.

Some people here think PS4 is doing great. That's what I can't pass without commeting.

Were we watching the same video?  He wasn't talking specifically about this month, he was talking about the entire life of the PS4 thus far, in comparison to it's next-gen competitors.  You're simply making excuses to try and downplay how successful it's been thus far.  That's fine, but don't for a second presume that it actually matters, as the video stated, your excuses and goalposts are irrelevant.  The PS4 is still in the lead, and doesn't look like that'll be changing anytime soon.

He was talking about PS4 today, not since the beginning.

If the PS4 sold zero next week, it would still be in the lead but the non-sales wouldn't be good at all.

Wrong, I just rewatched:

"They believe there is no reason why the PS4 should have sold the way it has, or still is selling the way it is currently.  They feel like there’s no warrant to it, there’s not really anything Sony is offering with the PS4 right now, for it to be selling like this."

In fact, there is a reason why it's selling, currently, the way it is.  Because there's a dry spell, otherwise it'd be selling more.  :)  Sad you'd make that statement with the video right there, just aching to be listened to again, just to make sure you weren't wrong.  Luckily for me, you didn't do your due diligence.



ChudStudly said:
But it IS selling well. Period. Dot. The end. It's outsold its predecessor like mad during the same timeframe. Same for the Xbox 360. It's outselling both during its first summer. What would be an acceptable sales level for you? 300k weekly? 400k? PS4's "anaemic" sales are an indicator of what time of the year it is, not a referendum on the state of the console. This isn't a bad thing, it's a historical trend. Anyone who thought those incredible sales would continue through the first summer drought doesn't understand the industry. And anyone who doesn't think they'll see a massive spike this fall is insane, same goes for X1.

Again: current sales are NOT anaemic. End of story.

The fact that it's doing better than the PS3 was doing really isn't much of an argument - the PS3 struggled during its first year. So did the Xbox 360.

An "acceptable level" might have been 150-200k. You seem to think it's an all-or-nothing thing. I didn't say that it's selling poorly. I said it's anaemic - meaning, not nearly as good as it should be.

Let me demonstrate it another way. People mostly considered the Wii a "dying" console by 2011. And yet, in the last full week of June 2011, the Wii sold 155k. 159k the week before that, and 173k the week before that. Now, it's true that it got a price cut about a month earlier... but when have you known a dying console to get a massive boost from a price cut? Consider that the price cut for the Xbox One only got it a small bump.

And I haven't said a word about what will happen "this fall". I'm talking about what's happening now. And it's not the "summer drought", as demonstrated by the fact that other consoles didn't see nearly this big a drop. Demonstrated by the fact that PS4 had a launch far bigger than the PS3, got to 6.7 million by end of March compared with 2.85 million for PS3 (that's 135% better), yet is only outpacing PS3 in weekly sales by about 70%. For Wii, it was at 5.8 million by the end of March, and it sold 278k in the last week of June. 360 was at 2.4 million and sold 79k. DS was at 4.5 million and sold 100k (about same as PS4) while PSP was at 1.8 million and sold 95k.

Just to give you a sense of how these numbers stack up, here's the percentage of March install base that weekly sales at the end of June represent:

DS -  2.22%
PSP -  5.28%
360 - 3.29%
Wii - 4.79%
PS3 - 2.14%

PS4 - 1.57%
XBO - 1.60%

I've left off Wii U because it was extremely atrocious, well below 1%. I've also left off PSV and 3DS because except for PSV in Japan, both systems launched in the year in question, whereas all of the ones I listed launched in or near November of the year before in at least two regions.

What the percentages above demonstrate is drought sales relative to hype sales. PS4 had a huge amount of hype at launch. Its summer drought sales, on the other hand, were quite poor by comparison. Which would be fine, if it weren't for the fact that this represents a significant slowdown in summer weekly sales relative to the previous gen.



Zod95 said:

DUDE! Watch the quote trees!



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overman1 said:

your point is that the PS4 is doing badly...you still havent provided any evidence for this.

Actually I did, and more than once. But no matter how I repeat things over and over again, you tend to ignore them. Like I said in the very post you quoted, if the PS4 was selling 4 units per week and the other consoles 1 unit each they would be crushing the competition and maybe for you that is enough to claim they're selling well. Not for me. Selling well is selling as good as or more than other consoles in history.

Using my standards (price point is what matters the most), I would compare PS4 now with PS3 on 2008 and conclude it is selling even less than that (which was not considered to be good at that time).

Using your standards (time period is what matters the most, you think being 1st or 2nd summer makes more difference than the price point), I compared PS4 now with Wii at June 2007 and conclude it is lessing less than a half (100k compared to 250k), which then is very bad.

So, no matter how we look at it, PS4 does not seem good at the moment. Like sundin13 said at the beginning, this is more about the terrible sales XOne and WiiU are accounting for than any other thing:

"But the PS4 isn't really selling super well...? Its relatively good, but its more that XBO/Wii U are selling badly, and I think that the argument is that PS4 doesn't deserve to be selling so well relative to the others. The fact that the PS4 is no longer killing it in the sales charts sort of destroys the whole video >.>"

...to which Dr.Henry_Killinger answered:

"Sounds like excuses."

This is what I quoted in the beginning and argued about this whole time and I think now it's obvious who was right.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M