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oniyide said:


you do know the average gamer doenst know which studio makes what right? nor do they care. Hell i didnt even know.

You can let him run with it.  I mean Ubisoft Montreal created a Rayman game in 1995 that sold well and Ubisoft Montpellier is creating a new Assassin's Creed game this year for the Xbox one and PS4.  Is Montpellier now on the same level as Montreal since im sure the new AC game wil sell gangbusters? Ubisoft spreads out its game development to multiple studios that it owns.  And no end user is going to be concerned which studio created what.



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padib said:
oniyide said:

you do know the average gamer doenst know which studio makes what right? nor do they care. Hell i didnt even know.

Sure, but the numbers speak for themselves. The games made by Ubi Montreal are just bigger.

sure they are. but lets use some sense. THe average gamer doesnt KNOW those games are made by Montreal. Hell you just said they are bigger becasue that is the MAIN dev house. OF course they are going to be bigger thats just common sense. Ive never seen a UBI Montreal logo on any AC game. or anything theyve ever done.



padib said:
Arcturus said:
padib said:
BreedinBull said:

Blame Ubisoft all you want. Nintendo "might" not need Ubisoft, but Ubisoft definitely does not need Nintendo. Xbox, Playstation and PC are more than enough for Ubisoft.

Okay... then why did Guillemot ask Nintendo to sell more and make a price cut.

If what you're saying is true he should just shut up.

Read his comment. He's not asking Nintendo to do anything. He's simply saying that if his company is to continue investing in the WiiU, the WiiU will have to perform better than it currently is.

o_O He's holding a game from releasing (basically a hostage of sorts) and saying "we won't release it until Nintendo does better".

So, isn't that making demands?

I agree he's not explicitely demanding, but the basic message is a demand.

The way he said it doesn't sound like a demand:
"We also have another game on the shelves that we expect to come at some point when there will be more machines,” “That game is waiting for more machines to be available"



Train wreck said:
oniyide said:
 


you do know the average gamer doenst know which studio makes what right? nor do they care. Hell i didnt even know.

You can let him run with it.  I mean Ubisoft Montreal created a Rayman game in 1995 that sold well and Ubisoft Montpellier is creating a new Assassin's Creed game this year for the Xbox one and PS4.  Is Montpellier now on the same level as Montreal since im sure the new AC game wil sell gangbusters? Ubisoft spreads out its game development to multiple studios that it owns.  And no end user is going to be concerned which studio created what.

haahahaha. the despertation is almost funny. See i didnt even know any of this and i consider myself a fan. So i know most end users have no idea, or dont care. At this point the game will sell on the name alone. Much like all big franchises, hell even the Vita one managed a million and that was handled by a team who never even made an action game i believe. let alone an AC one



Third parties are not in a position to demand anything from a console maker, for one. And for another, while Wii U needs all the games it can get, and that is not a disputable fact, Ubisoft if so full of their own shit lately it's not even funny. They are actually making Activision look good by comparison.

Spending the time and money to make a ground up Wii U title (which costs far more, by the way, than porting something to Wii U), and then sitting on it, is actually COSTING them money, and is an incredibly foolish decision. If whatever they've made is a GOOD game, so long as Ubisoft actually bothers advertising it, then people will most likely buy it. Case in point: Zombi U. By all accounts, it's a DECENT game. But it's not a great game. Perhaps if Ubisoft wouldn't have rushed it to make sure it was a launch title, and had put more polish on it, it might have been a better game, and thus might've sold better. Just an idea.



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padib said:
Arcturus said:

Read his comment. He's not asking Nintendo to do anything. He's simply saying that if his company is to continue investing in the WiiU, the WiiU will have to perform better than it currently is.

o_O He's holding a game from releasing (basically a hostage of sorts) and saying "we won't release it until Nintendo does better".

So, isn't that making demands?

I agree he's not explicitely demanding, but the basic message is a demand.

Have you considered he's simply sending message to Nintendo that since their AAA game (ACIV) had less than 3% attach on their console and even Rayman had only around 5%, Ubi needs much, much more WiiU users to make their games profitable?

Nintendo isn't forced to listen to Ubi (or any other 3rd party), but, likewise, Ubi is not obligated to publish anything on WiiU.



padib said:
oniyide said:

haahahaha. the despertation is almost funny. See i didnt even know any of this and i consider myself a fan. So i know most end users have no idea, or dont care. At this point the game will sell on the name alone. Much like all big franchises, hell even the Vita one managed a million and that was handled by a team who never even made an action game i believe. let alone an AC one

He was wrong -_-

Whether the end users care or not, the numbers stand.

he was wrong about what? the end users not caring? no he's right about that. Most people dont even know who made what. Numbers dont make this untrue, they dont prove anything.



DevilRising said:
Third parties are not in a position to demand anything from a console maker, for one. And for another, while Wii U needs all the games it can get, and that is not a disputable fact, Ubisoft if so full of their own shit lately it's not even funny. They are actually making Activision look good by comparison.

Spending the time and money to make a ground up Wii U title (which costs far more, by the way, than porting something to Wii U), and then sitting on it, is actually COSTING them money, and is an incredibly foolish decision. If whatever they've made is a GOOD game, so long as Ubisoft actually bothers advertising it, then people will most likely buy it. Case in point: Zombi U. By all accounts, it's a DECENT game. But it's not a great game. Perhaps if Ubisoft wouldn't have rushed it to make sure it was a launch title, and had put more polish on it, it might have been a better game, and thus might've sold better. Just an idea.


you know the game they are sitting on is some shovelware crap? best case its some raving rabbids nonsense.



padib said:
oniyide said:

he was wrong about what? the end users not caring? no he's right about that. Most people dont even know who made what. Numbers dont make this untrue, they dont prove anything.

He was wrong about Rayman being dev'd by Ubi Montreal...

You guys are sloppy.

ok, i dont know what that has to do with what was intially being discussed, but you got to take your victories where you can get them i guess.



padib said:
Zod95 said:

Things are not that simple. First of all, Nintendo games sell well on WiiU comparatively to other publishers but poorly when compared to other consoles, specially Wii.

Second, they do so because they are first party titles and Nintendo has always a great driving force inside their ecosystem due to the familiar environment they create around their systems. Therefore, comparing Nintendo games with Ubisoft games on a Nintendo console is like comparing oranges with apples. Why don't they give the same juice? Of course they don't, and it's not because an apple is a bad orange but because it's an apple.

Third, a game can have very different sales on different platforms. Is it really just their work? If it was, sales on different platforms should be similar for any game. To give you a few examples: football games sell better on PlayStation ; Call Of Duty games sell better on Xbox ; Watch Dogs is selling far better on PS4 than on XOne ; Assassin's Creed and Batman Arkham sell almost nothing on WiiU when compared to other platforms.

Fourth, even if the game is not the same, sometimes the franchise is and the title is actually very tailored to the platform. I'm thinking of GTA and how it sold so well on PS1 and Xbox and PSP, extremely well on PS2, PS3 and X360 and so poorly on DS. On Nintendo's handheld, they developed a new kind of GTA, not requiring good graphics, being more accessible and brilliantly taking advantage of the touch feature of the system. In the end, it only sold 1.3M (a small fraction of the average GTA title). To offset the losses, they launched the very same title (tailored for DS) on PSP and it sold almost as much, even not being the kind of GTA gamers were used to on PSP and not having the mini-games using the touch feature.

 

I agree that Ubisoft has every right to be unsatisfied with WiiU and demand more from Nintendo.

None of these points contradict what I've said throughout the thread, and I agree with you.

But your conclusion doesn't follow. Ubisoft have not been able to sell games though Nintendo have. That tells you that Ubisoft just don't know how to sell on Nintendo consoles (except Just Dance and MJ the Experience).

It's up to Ubisoft to step it up.

They contradict what I had quoted:

"And no they don't, as I've already showed Nintendo is very well capable of selling on the U, Ubisoft's low sales are their work."

I've told you why Nintendo is well capable of selling on WiiU and why it's not fair to compare it to 3rd parties like Ubisoft.

I've also explained why Ubisoft's low sales are not just their work.

 

My conclusion follows because Ubisoft did their part, Nintendo hasn't.

Ubisoft knows how to make games. And maybe you're right. Maybe they don't know how to sell on Nintendo consoles. Like most 3rd parties didn't know how to sell on PS3 when it was at 600€ and all of a sudden they learned to sell a lot of games when the console became at 300€.

Now Ubisoft is rather on a "wait and see" strategy. WiiU is just another channel. If it fails, more focus on PlayStation and Xbox. Nintendo has much more to lose so they better start doing something about their system.



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